So you’re saying all of this as though “on the surface” is all I’ve ever considered and have never tried to do what you claim to be the only acceptable way to do things. It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren’t worth it. They particularly help with forms. Conditional data in forms aren’t something I just made up, it’s a legit use case. Again I’ve tried your way and I lasted less than a day. Very poor experience.
I was talking about my own experiences. We can agree to disagree on what is a better user experience, as it’s inherently subjective. I can’t think of a site I’ve come across that was made better by javascripts, from my own perspective and experiences. I have always been let down and frustrated by such sites and always relieved to find static sites.
It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren’t worth it.
Yes. And for all of the reasons I’ve given, I stand by my opinions on javascripts. You’re free to disagree. I wasn’t trying to convince anyone, just sharing my experiences and opinions on them.
Sorry if I came across as dismissive of your experiences and opinions.
I tried using the web again last night with a browser extension that toggles off JavaScript. Out of like 8 websites I tried to use, literally all of them were broken.
So it’s not even just convenience. It’s that practically no one is building websites to work without JavaScript. I think that sucks, but I cannot change it by just avoiding most websites in defiance.
I don’t know what websites you’re using that still work without JavaScript, but they’re in the minority from what I can tell.
practically no one is building websites to work without JavaScript. I think that sucks
I legitimately believe that most websites suck, and that is one of the reasons. If I enable javascript. I still find that the vast majority of sites suck.
I cannot change it by just avoiding most websites in defiance.
We cannot change much in this world. I don’t believe that I’m changing things by avoiding these sites which I don’t like. I can hope that more people will realize the same things I do and join me in avoiding such sites, but without numbers there’s nothing to be gained except personal comfort in the moment.
I don’t know what websites you’re using that still work without JavaScript, but they’re in the minority from what I can tell.
Well yeah, cuz (imo) most sites suck, lol. But even though they’re in the minority (like me, lol), there are lots of good sites which work very well without javascripts, like distrowatch, duckduckgo, feditrends, invidious, lemmy (for the most part), librey, mbin, redlib, rimgo, searxng, wikipedia, and lots of smaller niche sites. Lots of news sites are also pretty accessible, especially the ones that work with firefox reader mode. So, that list covers multiple options for search engines, fediverse platforms, mainstream social media frontends, wikipedia (and various other wikis on totally different sites), and lots of news & informational sites.
Some sites that don’t work quite as well are able to be fixed by simply switching from from “Basic Page Style” to “No Page Style” with Alt+vYN (Menu -> View -> Page Style -> No Page Style). Lots of sites which appear totally blank can be fixed with that method. Granted, they don’t look so good, but the information is accessible. But that’s an example of a not-so-good site which is helped by disallowing javascipts and correcting the page. The truly good sites don’t require fucking with them like that.
So anyway, yeah. idk. I don’t see the issue. The sites which don’t work are the sites I have no interest in using. Allowing javascripts doesn’t tend to make them better in my view. And I think the stuff that legitimately needs scripts are better accessed as standalone apps (like matrix and other instant messengers which support end-to-end encryption). I think it’s better to use FOSS apps which have been reviewed by OS maintainers and others than to blindly allow sites to execute scripts through a browser.
But again, this is all just my perspective, my own experiences and opinions shaped from them. We each walk our own paths and have our own wants and needs, along with our own likes and dislikes. I just hope I’m able to be better understood by others who otherwise would have no idea why I and some others have chosen this path for ourselves.
So you’re saying all of this as though “on the surface” is all I’ve ever considered and have never tried to do what you claim to be the only acceptable way to do things. It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren’t worth it. They particularly help with forms. Conditional data in forms aren’t something I just made up, it’s a legit use case. Again I’ve tried your way and I lasted less than a day. Very poor experience.
I was talking about my own experiences. We can agree to disagree on what is a better user experience, as it’s inherently subjective. I can’t think of a site I’ve come across that was made better by javascripts, from my own perspective and experiences. I have always been let down and frustrated by such sites and always relieved to find static sites.
Yes. And for all of the reasons I’ve given, I stand by my opinions on javascripts. You’re free to disagree. I wasn’t trying to convince anyone, just sharing my experiences and opinions on them.
Sorry if I came across as dismissive of your experiences and opinions.
I tried using the web again last night with a browser extension that toggles off JavaScript. Out of like 8 websites I tried to use, literally all of them were broken.
So it’s not even just convenience. It’s that practically no one is building websites to work without JavaScript. I think that sucks, but I cannot change it by just avoiding most websites in defiance.
I don’t know what websites you’re using that still work without JavaScript, but they’re in the minority from what I can tell.
I legitimately believe that most websites suck, and that is one of the reasons. If I enable javascript. I still find that the vast majority of sites suck.
We cannot change much in this world. I don’t believe that I’m changing things by avoiding these sites which I don’t like. I can hope that more people will realize the same things I do and join me in avoiding such sites, but without numbers there’s nothing to be gained except personal comfort in the moment.
Well yeah, cuz (imo) most sites suck, lol. But even though they’re in the minority (like me, lol), there are lots of good sites which work very well without javascripts, like distrowatch, duckduckgo, feditrends, invidious, lemmy (for the most part), librey, mbin, redlib, rimgo, searxng, wikipedia, and lots of smaller niche sites. Lots of news sites are also pretty accessible, especially the ones that work with firefox reader mode. So, that list covers multiple options for search engines, fediverse platforms, mainstream social media frontends, wikipedia (and various other wikis on totally different sites), and lots of news & informational sites.
Some sites that don’t work quite as well are able to be fixed by simply switching from from “Basic Page Style” to “No Page Style” with
Alt+vYN(Menu -> View -> Page Style -> No Page Style). Lots of sites which appear totally blank can be fixed with that method. Granted, they don’t look so good, but the information is accessible. But that’s an example of a not-so-good site which is helped by disallowing javascipts and correcting the page. The truly good sites don’t require fucking with them like that.So anyway, yeah. idk. I don’t see the issue. The sites which don’t work are the sites I have no interest in using. Allowing javascripts doesn’t tend to make them better in my view. And I think the stuff that legitimately needs scripts are better accessed as standalone apps (like matrix and other instant messengers which support end-to-end encryption). I think it’s better to use FOSS apps which have been reviewed by OS maintainers and others than to blindly allow sites to execute scripts through a browser.
But again, this is all just my perspective, my own experiences and opinions shaped from them. We each walk our own paths and have our own wants and needs, along with our own likes and dislikes. I just hope I’m able to be better understood by others who otherwise would have no idea why I and some others have chosen this path for ourselves.
(also, sorry if my walls of text are annoying.)
I understand, I just felt you were stating things as if they’re objectively true. Maybe I missed something. Have a good rest of your day.