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      It s a recommendation and not a law. Flatpak said they will look at it on a case by case basis. I think it s more related to analytic and nvidia doing nvidia and doing all they can to not play nicely in the foss ecosystem

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        I don’t have real knowledge, but I could imagine both. E.g. nvidia may not want to raise an official ticket and then get a public decline. That could be a story that you can refer to. They may, at least for now, want to go the proprietary way, as if it’s a Windows installer (lol).

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    I mean, I guess it’s good to have more thigns, but isn’t this kinda playing in to the “You will own nothing and be happy” BS?

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        Come on…

        Big lobby makes personal GPU ultra expensive to buy.

        Sells you the concept of renting a big GPU in their datacenters instead… And your like “sweet deal” ?

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          Not what I said ^^

          But I am also getting games through Steam so I dont own my games either…its just they way the world is if you got a few thousand bucks over to buy me a gaming pc I gladly get rid of Geforce Now xD

          So I just meant the way the world is I can actually play games with gfn and it becoming better (supporting linux) is a good thing

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            Well, when I play something that I have to get on Steam I either crack it and run it with Goldberg, or I just grab a pirate copy to begin with. Despite being a “Game Industry Guardian” on my Steam profile I’ve moved to piracy if it’s not available DRM-Free.

            I decided after several games were “updated” with DRM or KLAC or anti-tamper or to constantly spam Epic Games servers with EOS requests even in offline play that I require two things to pay for game:

            Offline installers so I can back them up and not need to keep everything installed at all times, and no client requirment to install and play.

            The ability to stay at the current version if there is an “update” that breaks things, withouth fighting the client constantly and going through hoops enabling release channels hoping it doesn;t reset at some point and change the gmae I have installed without my permission.

            Most of my game, now, are from GOG. I’ve bought one DLC on Steam in the last year, but after them ignoring the “Hey, I’ll buy this again if you release on GOG” messages the next DLC (dropping next week) is coming from my favorite pirate site not Steam.

            Added bonus, to that, the constant EOS and Google conections sent by the game even when I set it to “offline” mode are flippin’ insane, and they don’t happen when the Steam API is set to redirect to a local emulator.

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      In principle I agree (I mean, see the “Socialist” up there) but Linux isn’t the thing that will enforce ownership of anything. See Android.

      It could be, but it’s now in the hands of the same evil corporations that made some guys start GNU and shit.

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        It could be, but it’s now in the hands of the same evil corporations that made some guys start GNU and shit.

        GNU was started because of a broken printer. Jokes aside, RMS got upset that the company that manufactured the printer could not give the source code for him to modify it to make the printer better. That is when he founded the gnu project and the fsf.

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            I have no issues with Lineage, or Graphene, the enshitification is all Google and the shady “app” shilelrs who are after your data linking everything to Google Play Services which is a fucking plague.

            Android is fine, Google has gone form “Don’t be Evil” to “How can we be more evil?” and needs to be purged from all devices.

            Heck, I just demanded a data deletion of an account that was a legal adult because they demanded a copy of my driver’s license to watch a music video on YouTube.

            Funny that doesn’t happen when I send a bot to scrape the webm file, without the spammy annoying AI generated ads playing constantly, and run ffmpeg on it to give me a proper offline copy of said video.

            Nothing Google does is needed, they are a “convenience” that is only popular because it si free and already installed on everything. Kinda like Windows, no?

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            Except that it’s not “linux” like an actual open source linux distro is. There is no parallel here.

            Also, a negative example shouldn’t make you go “oh I guess there’s no hope then, let’s embrace the death of ownership”.

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              It’s the kernel. For starters, Linux is a kernel. I don’t understand your point, the people running the Linux ecosystem (the corpos injecting money in the infrastructure and participating in the governance through the Linux Foundation) don’t care about user ownership. NVIDIA is a bad collaborator but it’s still allowed to do the shit they do. As other nonfree contributors on drivers.

              But let’s suppose an open and universal implementation standard of ARM and modem drivers was enforced? We’d have hundreds of viable Linux phones already. The battle wouldn’t be pretty but the alternative would be the current shitty state of affairs.

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              Android IS an open source Linux distro.

              It’s all the software that’s added to Android that’s proprietary. Binary blobs for Qualcomm chips, Google Play services, etc.

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                  Linux distros are free to choose which standard libraries and toolsets they use. Android has chosen not to use the standard GNU coreutils or glibc, they instead use toybox and bionic.

                  There are other distros that use for example musl and busybox over glibc and coreutils. Ubuntu is also looking to replace coreutils with a new rust version that isn’t copyleft. There are also multiple init systems out there so you can’t say that systemd must be used to consider something a Linux distro. Etc.

                  I’m wondering, what exactly about Android doesn’t count as a Linux distro to you?

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    First Epic Games Launcher, and now this. If this isn’t the year of the Linux desktop, then I don’t know which one is. Next, all the adobe and Microsoft garbage 😄

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      If adobe and office get official support that could result in a big shift. Half the people I’ve talked to that won’t move cite those apps as reasons. Solid CAD support would be huge as well I think.

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          That’s true, but I know it doesn’t have the full functionality of the app. I only use office through work because it’s required, and I’m far from a power user, so I’m not sure what those features are. I’m just regurgitating what I’ve heard.

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          I’ll believe it. I do not use any of their apps, but every single time AI has been added to an app, it’s been worse. That’s not even an exaggerating, every single time it’s been worse in my experience.

          However, for some people it’s adobe or bust, and I can empathize with not wanting to start over with a new app, especially if you’re particularly skilled with it already.

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            I dumped Adobe when I tried to reinstall my Creative Suite on a new PC only to have it tell me it was “too old” and I needed to “upgrade” to Creative Cloud.

            That “cloud” word had me nope right the fuck out, and it seems I dodged a bullet, as I was not involved with Adobe when they became screwed all their customers.

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    I’m afraid that the freedom of “mainstream” Linux will slowly fade away. SteamOS whilst praised by many is basically a proprietary binary blop OS. Without Steam no one would give a shit about SteamOS. What makes Linux great isn’t the same as what makes SteamOS “great”.

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      You can just use a different distro and benifit off all the work that went into developing steam by using the open source tools they threw money at or directly helped along.

      I can pirate games, buy from gog, use a different distro, run the game through lutris/bottles with proton ge, and never open steam, yet they still kind of help bring the community there.

      Sense the steam deck came out there have been so many github projects for linux and gaming just due to the fact people feel like they are apart of the community. Steam tinkers launcher has been amazing and I wish I had that 8 years ago when I barely knew how to make a wineprefix.

      And that shits happening all over again and we are going to get a lot of improvements with fex, and waydroid with the soon release of the steam frame. Fex and waydroid will be crutial for someone trying to fork android, or make a Linux based arch64 os. The work is already benifiting lots of people. Sadly gamesir seems to be the only one taking advantage of this and they’re rather shitty of a company.

      Say what you will of steam being a monopoly, and still being a evil corperation I’m all for it. But the world is not so black and white and sometimes you gotta side with the bad guys because at this moment it benifits you more. At any time steam can start forcing digital ID to play mature games, or start doing weird shit.

      I can’t say the same for companies like nvidia or epic who are now trying to weasle in. Who are completely closed source and don’t have anything that directly helps the community at large. Steam at least gives you the tools to make your own open source steam deck/steam machine competitor because if despite all odds you make a popular consolex most people are still going to end up putting steam on it. That dynamic can change at any moment, but in the now I’m allowed to pick my favorite corperation and willfully ignore a lot of glaring issues, because to me the benifit outways the down sides. If I’m going to get fucked I at least want it to be comfortable, maybe missionary with some mutual kissing. I don’t want someone just raw dogging me doggy style rough, and I don’t think it’s that wrong to have a preference.

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        Sadly I see Gabe saying something that makes sense, and then Valve ignoring it to do whatever a corporate publisher demands, since it’s a private company and not forced to bow to shareholders I kinda hoped they could take a stand but it seems like the whole recommendation list lately has either been AI slop or a corporate “AAA” shovelware game that demands I run a secondary client on top of Steam to launch.

        Steam has done a lot of good things, but I think they need to take a stand against the publishers. Kicking them off Steam would cost them money, but it would cost the publishers far more, and I think they could use their damn-near-monopoly status to make good changes in the insdutry by simply refusing to alow abuse of paying gamers.

        It’s pretty sad that I have dozens of games that I can’t play anymore because of an “update” that broke it I was forced to install by Valve because the publisher said so. It’s why my 1500ish game library is all cracked and backed up in zip files to old mechanical hard drives (no need to pay the AI bubble premium on storage, not running the games off the HDD, I extract the archive to my SSD and play from it) now and any games I buy are form GOG with everything not sold there pirated instead.

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      This is a concern I have as well. Normies are getting into Linux, or should I say GNU/Linux, without understanding the core concepts of Software Freedom. I feel Linux is has been ready a long time ago, but now Linux is more compatible with nonfree software. That is not really a positive thing. But atleast we are making a FLOSS OS more mainstream.

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      All the majority knows is that they are escaping Microsoft. Even if Valve releases proprietary binary crap in the next cycle they’ll still be happy to install it.

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      NVIDIA drivers are a complete joke on Linux. If they don’t get it together, I might have to switch to AMD sooner than later.

      Edit: Thankfully we have things like vkBasalt and MangoHud that serve as decent replacements for the control panel options on Windows, and I can still use smooth motion.