You have to be pretty ignorant to make this statement. The allegations are verifiable: leaked video of concentration camps, escapee testimony, human rights groups reports of famine and so on. DPRK is in fact, an authoritarian shithole.
To the contrary, you have to entirely ignore the role of western propaganda to credibly believe everything the west says about a country they committed genocide against, and disbelieve everything said country has said about itself.
There are no “concentration camps.” The DPRK has prisons, sure, as do all countries.
Defector testemony is notoriously unreliable. Defectors are discriminated against in the workplace, and as such most turn to spinning tall tales to make a living. Speaking positively about the DPRK is illegal in the ROK and is punishable, as is returning to the DPRK, despite a good number of defectors wishing to return to their homeland.
“Human rights groups” are often heavily western influenced, and as such western biases plague reporting. Famine did exist during the 90s and early 2000s when the USSR dissolved and massive flooding ruined farming for years in the DPRK. These days, however, food is far more stable, and rural areas are seeing priority in development through the 20x10 policy.
You don’t really have a leg to stand on here, you are trusting the empire that committed genocide against Korea to be truthful about Korea.
Trolling? I’m a communist, what I say is consistent with what Marxist-Leninists believe to be true. Again, citing Amnesty USA as evidence against the DPRK is ridiculous chauvanism. Would you exclusively cite Israeli sources on Palestine?
Regarding famine in particular, the overwhelming consensus is that it was driven by genocidal destruction of agriculture by the US Empire, the dissolution of their largest trading partner, and mass flooding in the 90s, which is why their food security is getting better.
The DPRK has prisons. Allegations that it has “concentration camps” are projection at best. Same with “human rights abuses.”
No idea what you’re getting at regarding the 1930s Soviet famine.
Either way, “democratic socialism” is just social democracy without self awareness. Reform is a dead end, revolution is necessary, and socialism is already democratic.
You don’t even begin to understand the horrors of the last few centuries. If you did you’d realize why Europe/The West in general lies so much and basically accuses every socialist/anti-Us country of doing cartoonishly evil things because it’s the only way Americans see a government operate; not only that but most Americans believe whatever the state department tells them about any country even though they KNOW the US lies about them.
It’s always “yeah, I know the US is bad, but I just KNOW this unprovable slop about China and the Middle East is true this time! They really did kill a bajillion protesters so we have to be involved, US has a responsibility to promote its democratic values!!!” Completely dropping the criticism they claimed before.
Most of us were you before we read some theory. If you want to understand us, the most approachable introduction would be watching a lecture by Michael Parenti on youtube or your preferred alternative, and/or reading Blackshirts and reds
How do you not get it? If reform is impossible, then democratic socialism is in practice just welfare imperialism. My “true colors” have been open for years, I’m a communist. And for what it’s worth, Marxism-Leninism is rising.
Half of the links are dead the other half are videos of satellite images that proves absolute nothing, they’re same people who made claims about concentration camps in China using satellite image and later people took photos of the places and they were just normal schools or normal prisons.
There are random ass tourists on youtube going there and you can see the Uyghur language everywhere in signs and even hear it in the background as random people speak it. Many random liberals even asked people about this and they were told it’s a lie. Literally just watch random people who go there, and less imperialist propaganda.
So there’s no concentration camps in Xinjiang either, eh?
There aren’t, how about you focus on the concentration camps and genocide your country is actively participating in?
You are also free to try posting proof again, considering your first and only link you cited 3 times only has dead links. Just post any, I know you can do it! All this proof everywhere, just so much proof!
How could you possibly know there aren’t? You don’t believe that they have concentration camps… just like US citizens don’t believe they have concentration camps.
In reality, odds are very, very good that they both have concentration camps. There’s no way that you can know otherwise.
Great strawman of what others are saying very impressive.
You’re replying in support of this workers paradise, are you not?
Not at this moment no. What I’m responding in favour of is people who make claims providing evidence instead of telling others to provide evidence to prove a negative. You’re making the claim the DPRK is a shithole you have to provide the evidence that proves that (and ideally can survive some scrutiny of backing, bias etc.)
The DPRK is an authoritarian shithole. Why are you so offended by this statement?
I’m not particularly other then the fact that the people from the DPRK I met during my time in college were always so nice and proud of how far they’ve come as a nation and seeing you disparage that and generally be kind of an asshole is distasteful.
Why are you so offended and so protective of your liberal delusion?
Your country is the one with the highest prisoner per capita and repeated suppression of any political dissidents. Your country has killed millions in the past 100 years through wars, sanctions and genocide. I don’t give one fuck about Amerikans who are especially so racist, chauvinistic and filled with reprehensible bloodlust towards anyone outside their imperial core.
Your country is broken and the population there is completely unheard and suffering and you project all of your issues onto another country because you can’t bear to stand knowing that, YES! Your country is in fact this uniquely bad and horrible, not everyone is inherently just as bad or worse by some fantasy logic cooked up by crazy liberals.
You have to be pretty ignorant to make this statement. The allegations are verifiable: leaked video of concentration camps, escapee testimony, human rights groups reports of famine and so on. DPRK is in fact, an authoritarian shithole.
To the contrary, you have to entirely ignore the role of western propaganda to credibly believe everything the west says about a country they committed genocide against, and disbelieve everything said country has said about itself.
There are no “concentration camps.” The DPRK has prisons, sure, as do all countries.
Defector testemony is notoriously unreliable. Defectors are discriminated against in the workplace, and as such most turn to spinning tall tales to make a living. Speaking positively about the DPRK is illegal in the ROK and is punishable, as is returning to the DPRK, despite a good number of defectors wishing to return to their homeland.
“Human rights groups” are often heavily western influenced, and as such western biases plague reporting. Famine did exist during the 90s and early 2000s when the USSR dissolved and massive flooding ruined farming for years in the DPRK. These days, however, food is far more stable, and rural areas are seeing priority in development through the 20x10 policy.
You don’t really have a leg to stand on here, you are trusting the empire that committed genocide against Korea to be truthful about Korea.
Bro… you’re trolling just to discredit democratic socialism, just admit it.
Countless human rights groups are critical of the US and Israel, and have been documenting famine, conecentration camps, and human rights abuses in the DPRK for decades: https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/these-images-dont-lie-exposing-north-koreas-dirty-little-secret/
And, you forgot to mention the Holodomor in your response citing the USSR. How convenient!
Trolling? I’m a communist, what I say is consistent with what Marxist-Leninists believe to be true. Again, citing Amnesty USA as evidence against the DPRK is ridiculous chauvanism. Would you exclusively cite Israeli sources on Palestine?
Regarding famine in particular, the overwhelming consensus is that it was driven by genocidal destruction of agriculture by the US Empire, the dissolution of their largest trading partner, and mass flooding in the 90s, which is why their food security is getting better.
The DPRK has prisons. Allegations that it has “concentration camps” are projection at best. Same with “human rights abuses.”
No idea what you’re getting at regarding the 1930s Soviet famine.
Either way, “democratic socialism” is just social democracy without self awareness. Reform is a dead end, revolution is necessary, and socialism is already democratic.
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You don’t even begin to understand the horrors of the last few centuries. If you did you’d realize why Europe/The West in general lies so much and basically accuses every socialist/anti-Us country of doing cartoonishly evil things because it’s the only way Americans see a government operate; not only that but most Americans believe whatever the state department tells them about any country even though they KNOW the US lies about them.
It’s always “yeah, I know the US is bad, but I just KNOW this unprovable slop about China and the Middle East is true this time! They really did kill a bajillion protesters so we have to be involved, US has a responsibility to promote its democratic values!!!” Completely dropping the criticism they claimed before.
We can see your colour just fine, it’s red blood from a scratched liberal, a fascist.
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Most of us were you before we read some theory. If you want to understand us, the most approachable introduction would be watching a lecture by Michael Parenti on youtube or your preferred alternative, and/or reading Blackshirts and reds
How do you not get it? If reform is impossible, then democratic socialism is in practice just welfare imperialism. My “true colors” have been open for years, I’m a communist. And for what it’s worth, Marxism-Leninism is rising.
Post proof including that leaked video of concentration camps
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This article doesn’t even have any functioning links dude
Post direct sources, any videos, actual pictures. “There’s so much of this” okay then post it, since it’s plentiful.
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What are you even saying lol. Is your lib brain cooked?
What video?
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Half of the links are dead the other half are videos of satellite images that proves absolute nothing, they’re same people who made claims about concentration camps in China using satellite image and later people took photos of the places and they were just normal schools or normal prisons.
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There are random ass tourists on youtube going there and you can see the Uyghur language everywhere in signs and even hear it in the background as random people speak it. Many random liberals even asked people about this and they were told it’s a lie. Literally just watch random people who go there, and less imperialist propaganda.
There aren’t, how about you focus on the concentration camps and genocide your country is actively participating in?
You are also free to try posting proof again, considering your first and only link you cited 3 times only has dead links. Just post any, I know you can do it! All this proof everywhere, just so much proof!
How could you possibly know there aren’t? You don’t believe that they have concentration camps… just like US citizens don’t believe they have concentration camps.
In reality, odds are very, very good that they both have concentration camps. There’s no way that you can know otherwise.
You’re the one making a claim and you didn’t even read your source to see that people CAN’T look it up because the links are dead.
Weak troll.
proceeds to post the same link three times
Yeah, so much of this evidence.
Pretty sure Amnesty also took ages to recognize the genocide in Palestine, assuming they have.
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You’re the one making claims. The burden of proof is on you. Why are you surprised you’re being asked for evidence?
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Great strawman of what others are saying very impressive.
Not at this moment no. What I’m responding in favour of is people who make claims providing evidence instead of telling others to provide evidence to prove a negative. You’re making the claim the DPRK is a shithole you have to provide the evidence that proves that (and ideally can survive some scrutiny of backing, bias etc.)
I’m not particularly other then the fact that the people from the DPRK I met during my time in college were always so nice and proud of how far they’ve come as a nation and seeing you disparage that and generally be kind of an asshole is distasteful.
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Why are you so offended and so protective of your liberal delusion?
Your country is the one with the highest prisoner per capita and repeated suppression of any political dissidents. Your country has killed millions in the past 100 years through wars, sanctions and genocide. I don’t give one fuck about Amerikans who are especially so racist, chauvinistic and filled with reprehensible bloodlust towards anyone outside their imperial core.
Your country is broken and the population there is completely unheard and suffering and you project all of your issues onto another country because you can’t bear to stand knowing that, YES! Your country is in fact this uniquely bad and horrible, not everyone is inherently just as bad or worse by some fantasy logic cooked up by crazy liberals.
What you posted doesn’t even fucking work, because all you did was a quick google search and pasted it 3 times and called it “a lot of evidence”
Authoritarian, like your parents being authoritarian by telling you to go to bed?
Go back to reddit you fascist.