Tips on how to protect yourselves when you have to, you know.
Masks, camouflage outfits park somewhere far?
Hallowe’en on its own provides a significant strategic advantage. The closeness to elections is a bit sus though
I would be careful calling this “de-flock” because one of the more prominent groups against Flock is called Deflock and they already get lies from police calling them a terrorist organization despite never advocating for anything like tearing them down. If I really was putting on my tin foil hat, I’d say this was an intentional false flag operation called “de-flock” to further muddy the waters with regards to the Deflock organization. That’s a bit much, though.
Note that I’m not saying folks shouldn’t be participating, I’m only saying a different name for the activity would be prudent.
We had millions in the streets for NO KINGS. Your telling me we can’t get 80k Flock/Axon cameras down.
In my shitty MAGA and evangelical suburb, they welcome Flock.
Even in wealthy ‘liberal’ neighborhoods they welcome them as well, because they assume they help protect them from ‘the poors’.
you don’t have to… ;-)
Now do Ring cams.
Basically we need to get the word out to not use products from those aligned with Trump and thiel.
So every major company, got it
Basically 🤷
This needs to gain traction…
World wide…
70 days time…
U got any good alternatives to recommend? I was given a ring camera as a house warming gift, one of the nice flood light cam ones. Want to get away from ring but also don’t want to buy more crap LOL but I want to add a camera to the rear of my house and refuse to have ring recording me on my patio nor do I want to up my subscription. Keep migrating toward self hosting my camera system as the best solution but fuck I also don’t have the time to go setting that up right now … Rambling here but in search of good advice 🙏
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Or UniFi, Hikvision also Akuvox for doorbells/intercom
Specifically their PoE model. You can record to any ONVIF capable NVR, like Frigate, and restrict access to the feed to only the local network or your own VPN. No sending all your video feeds to a third party that grants the police access.
Yeah this is always been my problem. I kind of do want CCTV cameras on my house because I do live in a sort of high crime area, but I don’t see why I should have to pay a subscription to a company just so they can train an AI on my camera footage.
I’ve always been a fan of UniFi products. You keep the data, handle it how you will.
I really, really hope people don’t go out en masse and destroy every single Flock camera that is unconstitutionally filming and profiling them, because it would be a terrible crime to do so. Definitely do not do this people.
they probably are constitutional, but only because the constitution says nothing about tge government buying data from private companies.
yep, flock exists purely to get around the 4th amendment and the requirement to have a warrant.
People are downvoting you, but you’re right. It’s one of the reasons why the constitution is weak in the modern era, and in need of massive additions. It just is too vague, too geared towards a world that no longer exists, and hasn’t existed for over 70 years.
they are? I guess the votes haven’t federated yet
Definitely don’t remind people to leave their phones at home or use a Faraday bag to shield their tech.
Indeed. Not having those signals to trace could make it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to identify you, and we certainly don’t want the essential job of law enforcement to be inhibited.
Also people shouldn’t be wearing masks. That would be make them even harder to identify for law enforcement.
Camera can still track you with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, keep that in mind
It can’t if you leave your phone and electronics at home, which you should be anyways.
Not American. What is flock? Is this like a ring doorbell? Are people suggesting to destroy personal property of their neighbours?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
It’s a nationwide network of cameras used by federal, state, and local governments to track and profile people in public. It doesn’t just record, but builds a database of information on every car, license plate, and person that’s filmed, so it’s seen to be very dystopian.
Even worse, the tech gets it wrong and mistaken identity is common, and it ends up endangering people due to the violent methods US police employ. However, it’s privacy concerns that are foremost, because there’s an amendment in our country’s Constitution that should prohibit this kind of privacy violation.
If you’d like to learn more, I made a YT video on the topic recently.
don’t forget how many of them are just straight up creep cameras, installed pointing at childrens pools, playgrounds, peoples homes, etc.
It’s a revenue stream for Flock. Allowing members of the Epstein Class to view the stream of children.
explains the millions of hits per month on the cameras.
Wild stuff. That is far worse than I thought was going on.
What a scary timeline and I hope the country and sort out this stuff and reform this type activity.
They’re not just cameras. They also log nearby mobile devices. They’ve gone from a few hundred nationwide to over 100,000 in like 2 years.
Uber is going to start implementing the same thing, so mobile Flock that you wouldn’t be able to take down.
Government contracted cameras in public spaces.
Not just cameras. They also have RFID, WiFi, Bluetooth, and probably other crap I don’t remember. The idea is that even if the face rec doesn’t identify you, they still can by probing for credit cards and mobile devices. Disgusting.
Fair point. I was trying to be succinct, not intentionally vague.
Wow. Thanks for informing me. Stay safe guys
You’re welcome. I hope it’s a nice day where you are.
Canada. Its generally okay here but we do stupid shit like this too, just way less thank flock. I’m sure it’ll emerge in some form.
I do though
C’mon, Americans. We know you guys are cool. We believe in you! Shake this shit off!
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Or a great excuse to declare Martial Law in response to widespread domestic terrorism - and suspend November elections because reasons…
Are there good ways to kill a flock camera from a distance?
Could aiming a laser at the lense damage the ccd in the camera?
Ok, another idea.
Admittedly, this is not exactly a low tech solution, but…
One could use an fpv drone with a paint covered sponge duct taped to the front. Once the lens is covered in paint, you can either call the job done or go in closer without worrying about being seen by the camera.
You could use a can of spray paint instead, but then you need some kind of system to activate it, which complicates things.
Please oh please, No, a laser that is powerful enough to destroy the sensor, is more than powerful enough to blind so many people, at the same time even.
Do you happen to know how sensitive these sensors tend to be? Because I honestly don’t, but it’s possible it may not take much…
One-watt 532nm green laser or a .22LR bullet. The bullet is probably safer.
That’s fair. Yeah some Halloween costumes are all well and good, but for the rest of the year, it would be great if there’s a way to destroy these cameras without getting caught on camera yourself.
The thought behind the laser idea was just that it might not draw a lot of attention.
If anyone has better ideas, please do share them. My goal is to come up with less risky ways of dismantling them than getting right up there with a ladder. The .22 might be the simplest solution so far.
Subsonic rounds with a suppressor will help too. ;)
Seems like a mask and no electronics on you would be a far better solution here. Perhaps even a fancy mask celebrating the great Spooky Season holiday.
A witch costume with actual spell casting?!?!
ALRIGHT THAT’S THE CORRECT WAY TO CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN, LETS FUCKING GO.
Need to agree on a common costume, otherwise someone is going to stick out as the one guy wearing a luigi costume and coincidentally all the cameras were destroyed by one dude in a luigi costume.
Having a standard “uniform” tells the authorities who to watch and follow before anything happens.
Better to have a general strategy of “costume you can easily change / remove.”
Flock will be on the alert October 31.
But I have observed you can wear a Halloween costume, including masks, any day starting October 1st without attracting (the bad kind of ) attention or seeming out of place. It’s fun, economical (get more use out of costume) and I encourage everyone to do it as often as feasible. Whether you deflock your neighborhood or just provide cover for those who do, you’ll also be confusing the cameras and messing with the data.
They can “be on the alert” on Halloween and it wouldn’t matter. Not like they can post a cop at all 200,000 of their cameras.
Let’s hope the momentum continues.
Why wait 2 months? Just do it whenever it’s convenient.
People ask this for every boycott or nationwide movement. The real answer is that more people do it if more time is given.
Theres a reason those facebook posts or tiktoks of “We’re boycotting ___ right now indefinitely!” Never really gain traction. Having one day where normies get to join in too and the data gets a sharp spike in activity is how change is noticed and effective.
“5 flock cameras are cut down nationwide weekly” is much less evocative than “On Halloween, 50,000 flock cameras were taken down in 3 hours” or something
It’s a night you can freely walk round with a mask on
Just don’t forget to leave any electronic devices at home.
You could just wrap your phone in tinfoil, but there is an exact way that you have to do it. If you have ever been somewhere remote without signal, your phone will nuke it’s battery trying to find signal by increasing the antenna’s power. You have to put it in airplane mode to save your battery. Not matter what you do, even turning your phone off, the antenna will be live sending some signal. The takeaway is that even with a hacky Faraday cage, your phone will try it’s hardest to phone home and could win with a tiny tear in the foil.
Honestly just easier to leave it at home. Or in your vehicle, assuming you didn’t pass by the camera on your way, and leave it sufficiently far enough away. I doubt they can read RFID from cards yet, even at a close enough distance to cut the pole down, but might want to leave those at home as well.
Why is it so hard for people to just leave their electronics at home?
They’ve become so attached that they get anxious without them.
“Oh man, I gotta park far away so it doesn’t read my plates and info from the car… Well I’ve gotta bring my Galaxy watch so it counts all the extra steps I’ll be taking.”
I also heard that people are focusing on a Spiderman costume in particular. It’ll be popular since the movie just came out and it has full face coverage. You can also order a size larger and wear extra clothes to hide your real body size.
Looking at ICE, any night is.
I really feel like you could astroturf MAGA rednecks into destroying flock cams with the right propaganda campaign. And probably a bunch of other shit they think they believe in. But there are conservative think tanks already engaged in this type of online propaganda pushing them in the other direction.
All of their media makes up fears that they will be robbed, car jacked, shot, or have to answer to a supervisor of a different gender or race than you.
Bullshit like flock cameras, more police, and ICE are obvious answer when their pea brains are soaked in fear hormones every waking hour.
Please do, you’re point for the work all over the world (China may be already lost, or not, depending on how well you do), London likely too. Also, please, sustained (go nuts on Samhain though, keen symbolism) but after Flock, there will be subtler versions, expecting you to lose momentum and just fade. They will be detectable, vulnerable.
Want to know why all the AI (GPU) centres are being built? Deliberately or not they will be used to process camera feeds (why let that compute go to waste).
The tree of freedom is watered in the blood of patriots. Well actually, get the other side to bleed, or preferably convert, good cause and all. The principle of being bloody serious about it when oligarchs (or upper class British) have control still stands. Step forth, the only thing you have to lose is a future of climate fire. And possibly next weeks meals, but history is replete with cases where that paid off (or not, bloody anarchist truth tendencies)
I’m dressing as a Flockjack for Halloween! I wouldn’t mind Halloween shifting to be an annual purging by the people of government surveillance.
We could just cut out the middle man and purge the rich.
Just spitballing, we could call it, oh i dunno The Purge ^TM^ or something.
(Trivia: on windows, alt+0153 will give you the ™ symbol - it’s ctrl+shift+u+[some hex string I can’t remember] on linux! If you’re on mobile, godspeed.)
Unfortunately, alt codes never worked for me because I don’t have a numpad. L to all my fellow 80% or smaller keyboard users. Works fine on Linux though, the number is 2122.
Alternatively Compose + tm works if you have Compose key enabled. Easier to use than memorizing Unicode code point numbers, for the supported characters at least.
