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    I just realized I’d rather live in Gotham, at least someone was trying there

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    I heard on a podcast someone explain “batmaning is the worst use of his money, just pay your taxes”

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      Bruce Wayne does a ton of philanthropy, and even hires low level goons to get them out of a life of crime. Part of the reason why “just pay your taxes” doesn’t really work is that Gotham is extremely corrupt. Another part of that is that the city is literally cursed.

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        You’re ignoring the first part of the statement and focusing on the pay your taxes part.

        Every dollar he spent on Batman would have been better used elsewhere.

        He could’ve have used money to campaign for government reform. I don’t know much about cursed parts of town but maybe the city should rezone that part of town. or wall it off. If someone cursed it someone can uncurse it. Start financing some talented witches or something.

        Maybe he should open some mental health wards focusing on the mental health crisis going on in Gotham.

        Vigilante justice causes more crime it doesn’t reduce crime. That’s why we don’t allow vigalante justice most places. Don’t go batmaning .

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          He needs to have some batmanning skills and equipment because the more he publicly supports improving things, the more often criminals who benefit from things being bad will attempt to assassinate Bruce Wayne. Gotham is full of graves of people who tried improving things legitimately.

          Really, the best thing he could do with his money would be to hire and train a bunch of mini batmen to work as bodyguards for all the people who are trying to improve things. Lots of the aforementioned graves belong to people that he’d briefly left unattended while he had to do something else, and that wouldn’t be a problem if there was someone else available to cover for him.

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          He could’ve have used money to campaign for government reform

          He did

          maybe the city should rezone that part of town. or wall it off

          It’s the whole city

          Maybe he should open some mental health wards focusing on the mental health crisis going on in Gotham.

          He did, I think he’s the primary funder of Arkham

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      What, the most common (and smooth brainned) criticism?

      Gotham has literally been cursed half a dozen times over, is governed by some of the most incompetent government officials, and has about nine different covert or overt corrupt groups all vying for control.

      Taxes aint gonna fix that shit.

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        Eh, its kind of a mixed bag with batman. Some of the villains are fighting for workers rights or to improve the environment. Others are just absolutely bonkers and somehow get a ton of people to support them. Batman has always been a bit problematic, but that is always the case with anti-heroes.

        Anti-heroes shouldn’t be role models, and are supposed to be problematic. The punisher isn’t someone to look up to or base any real solutions on. He is a broken man that was pushed to the extreme and decided extreme measures were needed to fight corruption. Wolverine has lost everything and fights largely for himself (I know there are stories where he grows and learns, but that wasn’t the original basis of the character). Batman is kind of the same. He was a spoiled rich kid that went through trauma and decided to punch his way out of it. Are there better solutions? Maybe, but they wouldn’t make for interesting comic books.

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          I can see the argument for environmentalism with poison ivy, but who exactly is fighting for workers rights?

          That also seems like an excuse to argue that Batman is somehow a bad guy in the situation, which is quite the stretch considering most, if not all, of the villains he faces would see gotham wiped out to see their goals acheived.

          It also ignores that in his Bruce persona he does do a lot of charitable work (including environmentalism and worker protections). But, as you say, him sitting in board meetings organizing this stuff wouldnt make for very entertaining stories.

          And i was never saying he was a role model, just that the constant mischaracterization is tiresome. Saying that just cause he was born to generational (and fictional) wealth he is automatically a bad guy. That clearly he could be doing better things (that he mostly does do anyway).

          Is putting on an animal costume and risking his life to protect others the act of a stable person? Fuck no. But its not like its also inherently harmful either. Especially in the world created around him.

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            Anarky is anti-state and anti-capitalism. There might be others, but it has been a really long time since I read Batman comics. So my memory is admittedly pretty vague.

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        He could donate money for the campaigns of good government officials. He could’ve opened a string a mental health facilities because Gotham has a major mental health problem. All these things don’t require Batmaning. Vigilante justice has been shown to increase crime not decrease it. I get you like Batman comics and that’s fine but you can’t act like being Batman is the best use of his money. Even in fictional Gotham.

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          He could donate money for the campaigns of good government officials.

          Like Harvey Dent, who became Two-Face?

          He could’ve opened a string a mental health facilities because Gotham has a major mental health problem.

          Harley Quinn’s origin story is that she was Joker’s psychiatrist.

          IMO: In the real world Joker and the rest of most heroes rogues galleries would have 100% been either sentenced to death (Which while it doesn’t currently exist in Gotham which is in New Jersey, would likely be put into effect considering waves hands broadly at the various levels of shit that has gone down in Gotham over the years.) or murdered by a cop who said they “lunged for his gun”. Superman would be a transitional energy source, we’d be living in luxury gay space communism owing to the innumerable genius level intellects (Atom, Mr. Terrific, Brainiac 5, Blue Beetle, the list goes on.) fixing basically every issue, which makes for a great reality but a really boring comic book universe.

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            I’m not suggesting an idea for a better comic book lol I’m just saying it’s not wrong to point out being Batman isn’t the way to fix issues it’s an ego thing. Just like iron man.

            Didn’t Harvey dent become two face because of Batman? Atleast in the movie it looks like Harvey would’ve faired a lot better without Batman.

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              I’m working under the assumption that you haven’t read a lot of the comics but if you have, forgive me.

              You gotta understand how deeply fucked Gotham is. Like, evil bat god sealed under the city, portal to hell in the asylum, crazy juice from the Lazarus Pit leaking into the water supply which has probably already got chemicals in it that are fucking folks up mentally (along with likely lead pipes but I’m just guessing.), the Illuminati basically running the city, corrupt cops all over, mafia, monsters, people who are basically monsters, there was even a whole plot line where it got kicked out the United States. If any city in real life had that many problems we’d probably level the fucker and start over.

              You can’t “pay your taxes” out of something like the Illuminati trying to use zombies to assassinate the police chief.

              Didn’t Harvey dent become two face because of Batman? Atleast in the movie it looks like Harvey would’ve faired a lot better without Batman.

              In the comics he got hit in the face with acid by a crime boss, iirc during a trial.

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                I never read any of the comics. Saw a few of the movies.

                A lot of those problems Bruce could focus more on better by paying qualified people.

                The chemicals and bad pipes could be solved with money.

                Illuminati? Isn’t he like the richest person in town? He could use his wealth and power against that as well.

                They should probably rebuild the asylum people keep escaping from somewhere that isn’t above a portal to hell. Maybe just cement over the portal.

                As for the cursed city and bat god: this is a world where magic exsists, and money exists. He could hire better magic to solve the problem.

                Monsters in the streets are a police and military problem. The police may be corrupt but that’s happened a lot in history and what we do is hire better police.

                But lets look at Batman. Batman isn’t solving the long term problems like portals to hell and bat gods. The criminals he captures keep getting away, he hasn’t solved the corruption or crime or monsters. Batmaning isn’t working. He should focus on using his wealth to change things and drop the whole Batman thing.

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                  Illuminati? Isn’t he like the richest person in town? He could use his wealth and power against that as well.

                  No one got arrested for the Panama Papers or Epstein Island so I think you’re overestimating what Bruce could do there.

                  They should probably rebuild the asylum people keep escaping from somewhere that isn’t above a portal to hell. Maybe just cement over the portal.

                  Literally every jail in comics is porous. They had a supermax in another dimension people were getting out of.

                  As for the cursed city and bat god: this is a world where magic exsists, and money exists. He could hire better magic to solve the problem.

                  “Hey Thor here’s 20 bucks go beat up Satan”. C’mon.

                  Monsters in the streets are a police and military problem. The police may be corrupt but that’s happened a lot in history and what we do is hire better police.

                  Who then get frozen solid, eaten by plants, or murdered in a myriad other ways. At some point any cop is going to reasonably say “Nah this shit above my pay grade.” no matter what that paygrade is.

                  Batmaning isn’t working…

                  May as well point out that Tom is a terrible cat because he never catches Jerry and in reality they would have called a professional by now. Well obviously in real life but then again in real life Tom would have died after being crushed by a anvil the first time so maybe suspend your disbelief a bit, and even beyond that whats the next cartoon look like after Jerry dies in a fumigation? Tom takes a nap?

                  We can’t apply reality to an ongoing entertainment medium in one way and ignore it in another. It’s not a “Why didn’t they ride a eagle to Mordor” situation because Lord of the Rings had a ending, and Batman etc. don’t and won’t so long as they keep making money.