Go read the first few paragraphs of the XLibre repo. For additional context, the gux was roasted by Linus for spreading anti-vax and other shot years ago.
I looked at it (here is the link for lazy people https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver ) and from the first couple of paragraphs it looks anti DEI although I don’t see how that is bad or how that releates to nazis but they do not apear to be nazis. (Sorry for the bad English not a native.)
The lead maintainer is an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, historical revisionist, and general nutjob. Links in the comments: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/38376251
The entire “non-ideological” thing is just him not wanting to be challenged for being a shitter.
In the US, “anti-DEI” is nothing but thinly-veiled discrimination. It is used primarily by people with the skills, personality, and sociability of a slice microwaved Wonderbread who need something to hide behind to avoid taking responsibility for their failings as well as by literal neo-nazis to try out a facade of legitimacy for their discriminatory actions while signalling their socio-political stance to their fellow neo-nazis.
DEI stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. It’s meaning is approximately:
Diversity - Efforts should be made to ensure diverse representation in the workplace, especially for groups that have historically suffered from discrimination. To this end, when skills and capabilities are approximately equal, those from groups that have suffered oppression should be favored. This both strengthens the workplace by adding different perspectives and helps to “rebalance” to correct for centuries of discrimination that have robbed these groups of opportunities.
A diverse workplace is stronger and more effective than a homogenous one, as proven by extensive sociological research.
Equity - People are different and may need assistance to put them on equal footing when they are otherwise equally capable to those who have greater societal representation. This could be as simple as ensuring that someone who needs glasses to read without eye strain is able to readily able to get them. Or it could mean ensuring that someone who has gender dysphoria (which can cause extraordinary mental health problems like anxiety and treatment-resistant major depression) is able to get the treatment that they need.
Inclusion - This is about the simplest of the three. Everyone should feel safe and valid in the workplace, regardless of their immutable characteristics.
When people say that they are “anti-DEI” in the US, they mean that they want a society where the only people with power are white, protestant men. They want a society where white, protestant men are favored over other all other groups and considered the “default” choice for anything. And they want a society where people who are different from them are afraid to participate because they may be arbitrarily punished and/or lynched.
When they claim that DEI is discriminatory and that they oppose discrimination, they are lying. Being forced to actually compete with others on even ground is terrifying to them and not being held above everyone else makes them think they are being oppressed.
When people say that they are “anti-DEI” in the US, they mean that they want a society where the only people with power are white, protestant men.
Source: trust me bro
Is it really that implausible that some people really do just want to have diversity, inclusion, and equity the “old way” by simply giving everyone an equal opportunity to participate instead of embracing DEI ideology? It’s a huge leap in logic to just assume that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to some specific ideology that claims to be tolerant must secretly be opposed to tolerance itself. I think all of those people yelling “nazi” at anyone remotely critical of DEI are just projecting.
Ah yes. “Equal opportunities” of the old days, like being told to be out of town by sunset or you’ll be lynched, or firing women who get pregnant, or redlining neighborhoods and adding restrictions too deeds to prevent the “wrong sort” of people (aka anyone not white) from moving in.
“DEI Ideology” is a made-up boogie man that the far-right created as an excuse to discriminate against minorities and their allies, since being outright racist isn’t acceptable anymore. White conservatives are terrified of meritocracy.
EDIT: In hindsight, this may have come across as an attack on the other commenter. That was not the intent, nor was the intent to accuse them of the horrific crimes of the past. These were used as used as examples of the reality experienced by minorities and women throughout US history, including the latter half of the 20th century to the present (to a lesser degree).
Huh? How did you go from “people should have equal opportunities” to lynching and firing pregnant women? At this point you’re just saying whatever you want.
Plus, lmao at the hypocrisy of calling DEI a “boogeyman” while simultaneously accusing anyone disagreeing with you a racistsexistlyncher. It’s totally real, you’re proving it yourself.
I don’t know if the creators are nazis, however, there was an issue questioning the inclusion of the DEI statement, and in that thread there were several uses of antisemitic dog whistles, including (((echoes))). These had a positive like/dislike ratio.
Edit: After looking through their repo these comments have been removed.
What is the future of X.org if all the mainstream distros drop X11 for Wayland?
Retirement to the archives. The protocol is extremely dated and held together with duct tape. The maintainers are mostly also contributors to Wayland projects, where they are implementing features impossible with X11.
I question whether the people hollering that “X11 is held together with duct tape” have actually tried using X11 in the recent years. It’s surprisingly stable. You never have to fiddle with Xorg.conf anymore, it’s all automatic. The only parts where it really shits the bed, in my experience, is either if you’re trying some extremely non-standard setup like mixing and matching wildly different generations of graphics cards, or in cases of deliberate sabotage by gn*me devs like client-side decorations and shadows. I really wished that the X11 -> wayland transition would be just like the pulseaudio -> pipewire transition where a desperately broken system that was causing issues for users got replaced – in a matter of months – with a successor that was not only 100% compatible but offered cool new features on top of stability improvements. But this has just not been the case so far. Wayland has been “the future of the linux desktop” for nearly twenty years, and it’s still not quite there yet. X11 mostly just works, it isn’t abandoned, it’s finished. And what exactly are the new features we should be looking forward to in wayland? Isolation between clients is very cool I must confess, but did it really necessitate an entire protocol overhaul? QubesOS has had that feature working under X11 for over a decade. This guy on github managed to get it working with off-the-shelf X11 tunneling tools. Nevertheless, I’m still optimistic for wayland. The already existing backwards compatibility with X11 is impressive, and I think with enough work it might just be viable as the successor.
What am I looking at?
xtrans is a real repo for the xorg thing, they changed the icon for it to a trans flag.
Holy based, especially after that cringe “anti-dei” x11libre fork with all the nazis.
Any context on this. I wasn’t able to keep up with the news. X11libre has nazis?
Go read the first few paragraphs of the XLibre repo. For additional context, the gux was roasted by Linus for spreading anti-vax and other shot years ago.
I just did. The first two seem alright, and seem like they’re just a rant of someone who is seriously fed up at big tech.
The breaking point for me was the last part in the 3rd paragraph:
Context: https://lemmy.world/comment/17894908
deleted by creator
I looked at it (here is the link for lazy people https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver ) and from the first couple of paragraphs it looks anti DEI although I don’t see how that is bad or how that releates to nazis but they do not apear to be nazis. (Sorry for the bad English not a native.)
The lead maintainer is an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, historical revisionist, and general nutjob. Links in the comments: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/38376251
The entire “non-ideological” thing is just him not wanting to be challenged for being a shitter.
In the US, “anti-DEI” is nothing but thinly-veiled discrimination. It is used primarily by people with the skills, personality, and sociability of a slice microwaved Wonderbread who need something to hide behind to avoid taking responsibility for their failings as well as by literal neo-nazis to try out a facade of legitimacy for their discriminatory actions while signalling their socio-political stance to their fellow neo-nazis.
DEI stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. It’s meaning is approximately:
Diversity - Efforts should be made to ensure diverse representation in the workplace, especially for groups that have historically suffered from discrimination. To this end, when skills and capabilities are approximately equal, those from groups that have suffered oppression should be favored. This both strengthens the workplace by adding different perspectives and helps to “rebalance” to correct for centuries of discrimination that have robbed these groups of opportunities.
A diverse workplace is stronger and more effective than a homogenous one, as proven by extensive sociological research.
Equity - People are different and may need assistance to put them on equal footing when they are otherwise equally capable to those who have greater societal representation. This could be as simple as ensuring that someone who needs glasses to read without eye strain is able to readily able to get them. Or it could mean ensuring that someone who has gender dysphoria (which can cause extraordinary mental health problems like anxiety and treatment-resistant major depression) is able to get the treatment that they need.
Inclusion - This is about the simplest of the three. Everyone should feel safe and valid in the workplace, regardless of their immutable characteristics.
When people say that they are “anti-DEI” in the US, they mean that they want a society where the only people with power are white, protestant men. They want a society where white, protestant men are favored over other all other groups and considered the “default” choice for anything. And they want a society where people who are different from them are afraid to participate because they may be arbitrarily punished and/or lynched.
When they claim that DEI is discriminatory and that they oppose discrimination, they are lying. Being forced to actually compete with others on even ground is terrifying to them and not being held above everyone else makes them think they are being oppressed.
Source: trust me bro
Is it really that implausible that some people really do just want to have diversity, inclusion, and equity the “old way” by simply giving everyone an equal opportunity to participate instead of embracing DEI ideology? It’s a huge leap in logic to just assume that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to some specific ideology that claims to be tolerant must secretly be opposed to tolerance itself. I think all of those people yelling “nazi” at anyone remotely critical of DEI are just projecting.
Ah yes. “Equal opportunities” of the old days, like being told to be out of town by sunset or you’ll be lynched, or firing women who get pregnant, or redlining neighborhoods and adding restrictions too deeds to prevent the “wrong sort” of people (aka anyone not white) from moving in.
“DEI Ideology” is a made-up boogie man that the far-right created as an excuse to discriminate against minorities and their allies, since being outright racist isn’t acceptable anymore. White conservatives are terrified of meritocracy.
EDIT: In hindsight, this may have come across as an attack on the other commenter. That was not the intent, nor was the intent to accuse them of the horrific crimes of the past. These were used as used as examples of the reality experienced by minorities and women throughout US history, including the latter half of the 20th century to the present (to a lesser degree).
@nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org @renzev@lemmy.world
Chill it.
Got it.
Huh? How did you go from “people should have equal opportunities” to lynching and firing pregnant women? At this point you’re just saying whatever you want.
Plus, lmao at the hypocrisy of calling DEI a “boogeyman” while simultaneously accusing anyone disagreeing with you a racistsexistlyncher. It’s totally real, you’re proving it yourself.
I don’t know if the creators are nazis, however, there was an issue questioning the inclusion of the DEI statement, and in that thread there were several uses of antisemitic dog whistles, including (((echoes))). These had a positive like/dislike ratio.
Edit: After looking through their repo these comments have been removed.
What is the future of X.org if all the mainstream distros drop X11 for Wayland?
Any other projects we should know about?
X11 is used in Xwayland
It is maintained by the same people and is on life support. It has been that way for a decade
Retirement to the archives. The protocol is extremely dated and held together with duct tape. The maintainers are mostly also contributors to Wayland projects, where they are implementing features impossible with X11.
I question whether the people hollering that “X11 is held together with duct tape” have actually tried using X11 in the recent years. It’s surprisingly stable. You never have to fiddle with Xorg.conf anymore, it’s all automatic. The only parts where it really shits the bed, in my experience, is either if you’re trying some extremely non-standard setup like mixing and matching wildly different generations of graphics cards, or in cases of deliberate sabotage by gn*me devs like client-side decorations and shadows. I really wished that the X11 -> wayland transition would be just like the pulseaudio -> pipewire transition where a desperately broken system that was causing issues for users got replaced – in a matter of months – with a successor that was not only 100% compatible but offered cool new features on top of stability improvements. But this has just not been the case so far. Wayland has been “the future of the linux desktop” for nearly twenty years, and it’s still not quite there yet. X11 mostly just works, it isn’t abandoned, it’s finished. And what exactly are the new features we should be looking forward to in wayland? Isolation between clients is very cool I must confess, but did it really necessitate an entire protocol overhaul? QubesOS has had that feature working under X11 for over a decade. This guy on github managed to get it working with off-the-shelf X11 tunneling tools. Nevertheless, I’m still optimistic for wayland. The already existing backwards compatibility with X11 is impressive, and I think with enough work it might just be viable as the successor.