You’ll note that we don’t do full body MRI scans of everyone at the ER or when they visit their PCP,
Strawman fallacy. Pregnancy tests are cheap and quick.
There is a tradeoff to collecting that data, sure, you can argue that administering a pregnancy test is fairly short and consequence free interaction. However
Unsubstantiated argument.
“99% accurate” so about 1/100 women are going to get a false results, complicating the care for a lot more people that the 1 in 500 undetected pregnancies.
Another unsubstantiated strawman. An unexpected result can easily be retested.
it also shows preferential treatment for a hypothetical person over the actual person seeking immediate care
Red herring. Already said opting out should be a right.
Imagine being in pain, confident that you aren’t pregnant,
AND BEING WRONG. Which statistically happens as per web MD. 1/500 pregnant women spend half their pregnancy unaware they are pregnant. ~7000 women per year in the USA
the people you are paying hundred of dollars an hour to help you are
Exclusively American problem bro.
and the testing should be opt-in, instead of opt-out with a slew of lawyers and waivers.
Strawman. Again sounds like an exclusively american problem. Opting out in canada is as simple as the doctor clicking a checkbox.
Every problem you’ve described has nothing to do with pregnancy testing.
I think they were more concerned about a very small number of women being wrong, not all women.
Which is even worse in my opinion, as a very unlikely problem (1/500 pregnant women didn’t know they were pregnant) affecting a small number of patients (~9% of women visiting the ER are pregnant) is more important than all the reasons not to do a pregnancy test. Some rough math says that’s about 1/5000 women that visit the ER will not know that they are pregnant. We’re administering 5000 tests to catch 1 pregnancy. Low-end estimate puts the cost of administering those tests at 500,000 dollars. Half a million spent on a 1/5000 chance, that someone does not know they are pregnant.
4,999 women will have their care delayed to save 1 statistically likely fetus. 500 of those women will get a false result on their test, creating more delays and issues with their care.
We are disrespecting women’s health so fucking much on the off chance that there may be an unknown potential person in them, it’s ridiculous. And those numbers even assume that the 1/5000 person wouldn’t opt for the test just to be sure when prompted.
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction
Your literal point that I copy/pasted as a quote in my reply.
I don’t see how collecting less data benefits patients
My point, copy/pasted from my comment.
It takes time and effort to collect and consider that data. You’ll note that we don’t do full body MRI scans of everyone at the ER or when they visit their PCP, and that benefits patients because it reduced costs, respects their time, and makes their Dr. more available.
I am literally providing a very compelling reason on why we collect less data in order to benefit patients.
I refute your ability to understand a strawman fallacy.
After reading your whole comment, I have low confidence your ability to construct an argument, and you seem to repeatedly rely on misunderstanding (or mischaracterizing) of my arguments and the fundemental fallacies you’ve accused me of using.
Rather than dive into your gish gallop, I would ask that you demonstrate your commitment to arguing in good faith by apologizing for accusing me of creating the first “strawman”, and admitting that you either did not understand my argument, did not understand what a strawman is, or admitting that you accused me while intentionally knowing that it was based on false pretenses.
Strawman fallacy. Pregnancy tests are cheap and quick.
Unsubstantiated argument.
Another unsubstantiated strawman. An unexpected result can easily be retested.
Red herring. Already said opting out should be a right.
AND BEING WRONG. Which statistically happens as per web MD. 1/500 pregnant women spend half their pregnancy unaware they are pregnant. ~7000 women per year in the USA
Exclusively American problem bro.
Strawman. Again sounds like an exclusively american problem. Opting out in canada is as simple as the doctor clicking a checkbox.
Every problem you’ve described has nothing to do with pregnancy testing.
Yeah assuming all women are going to be wrong about the last time they had sex is a problem.
I think they were more concerned about a very small number of women being wrong, not all women.
Which is even worse in my opinion, as a very unlikely problem (1/500 pregnant women didn’t know they were pregnant) affecting a small number of patients (~9% of women visiting the ER are pregnant) is more important than all the reasons not to do a pregnancy test. Some rough math says that’s about 1/5000 women that visit the ER will not know that they are pregnant. We’re administering 5000 tests to catch 1 pregnancy. Low-end estimate puts the cost of administering those tests at 500,000 dollars. Half a million spent on a 1/5000 chance, that someone does not know they are pregnant.
4,999 women will have their care delayed to save 1 statistically likely fetus. 500 of those women will get a false result on their test, creating more delays and issues with their care.
We are disrespecting women’s health so fucking much on the off chance that there may be an unknown potential person in them, it’s ridiculous. And those numbers even assume that the 1/5000 person wouldn’t opt for the test just to be sure when prompted.
From the Wikipedia page about a Strawman fallacy…
Your literal point that I copy/pasted as a quote in my reply.
My point, copy/pasted from my comment.
I am literally providing a very compelling reason on why we collect less data in order to benefit patients.
I refute your ability to understand a strawman fallacy.
After reading your whole comment, I have low confidence your ability to construct an argument, and you seem to repeatedly rely on misunderstanding (or mischaracterizing) of my arguments and the fundemental fallacies you’ve accused me of using.
Rather than dive into your gish gallop, I would ask that you demonstrate your commitment to arguing in good faith by apologizing for accusing me of creating the first “strawman”, and admitting that you either did not understand my argument, did not understand what a strawman is, or admitting that you accused me while intentionally knowing that it was based on false pretenses.