Humans are done. I don’t think our civilization will make even a 1000 more years.
Humans are utter trash. Look at what billions of us have created. A society in which we ourselves don’t even want to live. The human condition is not compatible with long term equilibrium and survival. We need to end ourselves sooner rather than later in hopes another organism on this planet can replace us.
Humans had so much opportunity. We fucked it all up, every single time.
This is silly, sorry. Humans are shaped by our material conditions. We remake ourselves by remaking the world. If we build a better world, we become better people. It’s a mutually reinforcing relationship, moving onto socialism will make us better people.
And how do you propose to do that? In the 1000s of years since society was developed, it’s been endless class warfair. Human are greedy, period. Power corrupts us. In almost ever single instance humans have done the absolute WRONG thing.
What makes you think this persistent pattern will ever change? I’m serious, why do you think that? What in our history make you believe it will happen?
Socialism already exists. Power doesn’t corrupt us like some supernatural plague, this is idealist thinking that does not measure out to reality. People act in their own self-interest as a tool, but it just so happens that what’s good for everyone tends to be good for the individual as well.
When has power corrupted anyone? I mean that literally, when has anyone become supernaturally evil from having an administrative position? I want 3 good examples, because I can’t think of anyone being supernaturally impacted. In socialism, the majority have the same interests, towards collectivization, and against exploitation of people. The fact that socialism exists and is already remaking people proves this. The fact that humans lived communally for the vast majority of our existence means that the era of class society is an outlier, not the norm.
Power does tempt people to abuse it, and they regularly give in to that temptation. While I’m not in agreement with the person you are arguing with, I do believe people cannot be trusted with power, and therefore there need to be checks, and recourse, and the more power a person has, the more they need to be monitored rather than trusted. (Police are an example. Politicians are and example. Hollywood producers area
an example.)
There is also a selection mechanism at play. People who like to abuse power seek it out.
No supernatural power has ever corrupted anyone in history, dictator or not. You keep talking about “power corrupting people,” but this has never happened. What is your actual point? You think it’s absurd to talk about the supernatural, but that’s the only way to take your point that power corrupts. How does that physically happen?
Humans are done. I don’t think our civilization will make even a 1000 more years.
Humans are utter trash. Look at what billions of us have created.
The state of the world isn’t caused by billions of people. It’s caused by Amerika and Europe, who love to make sure to blame everyone else for their climate destroying industries.
You are free to perish. The third world with China has better hopes for a future. The West on the other hand doesn’t deserve to be leading the world order after their fuck ups.
Either stop the whining and work towards making life better for those around you, or stop whining and quietly fade away.
Humans are done. I don’t think our civilization will make even a 1000 more years.
Humans are utter trash. Look at what billions of us have created. A society in which we ourselves don’t even want to live. The human condition is not compatible with long term equilibrium and survival. We need to end ourselves sooner rather than later in hopes another organism on this planet can replace us.
Humans had so much opportunity. We fucked it all up, every single time.
Bye
This is silly, sorry. Humans are shaped by our material conditions. We remake ourselves by remaking the world. If we build a better world, we become better people. It’s a mutually reinforcing relationship, moving onto socialism will make us better people.
And how do you propose to do that? In the 1000s of years since society was developed, it’s been endless class warfair. Human are greedy, period. Power corrupts us. In almost ever single instance humans have done the absolute WRONG thing.
What makes you think this persistent pattern will ever change? I’m serious, why do you think that? What in our history make you believe it will happen?
Could a morally bankrupt and intellectually handicapped society invent the microwavable hot pocket?
I don’t think so.
Check mate accelerationists
Socialism already exists. Power doesn’t corrupt us like some supernatural plague, this is idealist thinking that does not measure out to reality. People act in their own self-interest as a tool, but it just so happens that what’s good for everyone tends to be good for the individual as well.
How does “socialisn already exists” move your point forward at all? What a joke!
When has power not corrupted people… I want three good examples please.
You are delusional, what’s good for everyone, is good for trump!? Are you ‘here’ friend? Are you okay?
I would love for what you say to be true, but the world is bastard and it’s got your number.
When has power corrupted anyone? I mean that literally, when has anyone become supernaturally evil from having an administrative position? I want 3 good examples, because I can’t think of anyone being supernaturally impacted. In socialism, the majority have the same interests, towards collectivization, and against exploitation of people. The fact that socialism exists and is already remaking people proves this. The fact that humans lived communally for the vast majority of our existence means that the era of class society is an outlier, not the norm.
Take a step back and be serious, please.
Power does tempt people to abuse it, and they regularly give in to that temptation. While I’m not in agreement with the person you are arguing with, I do believe people cannot be trusted with power, and therefore there need to be checks, and recourse, and the more power a person has, the more they need to be monitored rather than trusted. (Police are an example. Politicians are and example. Hollywood producers area an example.)
There is also a selection mechanism at play. People who like to abuse power seek it out.
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No supernatural power has ever corrupted anyone in history, dictator or not. You keep talking about “power corrupting people,” but this has never happened. What is your actual point? You think it’s absurd to talk about the supernatural, but that’s the only way to take your point that power corrupts. How does that physically happen?
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If your struggling with optimism, people who overthrow the rich and create a democracy that works for the majority are much more optimistic.
global optimism chart
The state of the world isn’t caused by billions of people. It’s caused by Amerika and Europe, who love to make sure to blame everyone else for their climate destroying industries.
Correct, so what is to be done about it?
Certainly not piss and moan and throw humanity itself in the trash because, as you put it “humans are utter trash”.
You aren’t in a position to do anything right now with this attitude, it is extremely unhealthy for you and others around you.
Drop this childish, simple view of the world (reasses your framework of thinking entirely) and then work towards organization.
You can’t go thru life thinking like Light fucking Yagami. Lmao
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You are free to perish. The third world with China has better hopes for a future. The West on the other hand doesn’t deserve to be leading the world order after their fuck ups.
Either stop the whining and work towards making life better for those around you, or stop whining and quietly fade away.