Look AI code gets a ton of hate. And rightfully so. But you can use a coding agent to basically completely take control of hardware you own. It takes minutes.
Oh cool, I’m sending that to my programmer wife to let her try if she’s interested when the Samsung TV version is out. I’m an engineer and thus not allowed to mess with the programming of anything shared.
Was watching gamers nexus. Opened up codex. Gave it network permissions. It was able to fully take control of the TV in minutes. It even navigated to the admin panel and gave me the code to plug in. Very quickly had figured out some of the major API’s. In a half hour, I was able to get a container/ program set up to just “send” any stream I wanted to the TV without having to use any Samsung services. Then, scramble/ poison telemetry data/ advertising data. Whatever you like. None of it is worth publishing. But I wanted to control the TV I bought. The one I own. In my house. That I paid for. And I think its royally fucked up the world we live in that there are any barriers to that.
So, this all sounds completely plausible, but at the same time it also sounds totally crazy right! I mean that anyone could do that without actually knowing a lot about the specific system being compromised… Nuts.
I guess I’m just curious, how much experience do you have with writing software, reverse engineering or hacking? Because I just can’t wrap my head around how a layman could accomplish this. The possibility of being able to un-enshitify the devices we purchase is really very exciting.
I had the tv for ages and I basically never turned it on because it was so enshittified with their shit software anyways.
I do have experience with software and reverse engineering but it’s not what you think. It’s mostly trying to reverse engineer pin outs for old scientific equipment or rat tailed sensors that come from China with no documentation. Check my post history.
I didn’t need to do shit for the TV thing. I just finished watching the episode of GN and was like " well I’ve got a Samsung that’s basically a brick anyways because it’s so enshittifed, worst that could happen is it stays a brick.
What I found out is I don’t need to rewrite the firmware to take control. There are basically APIs for most things.
Just don’t use OpenAI or Anthropic cloud models for reverse engineering your TV’s APIs. This guy got banned from OpenAI for doing this research on his Samsung TV, and there are reports of Anthropic models starting to refuse reverse engineering tasks, having been given new guidance. Apparently proles learning about the corporate surveillance they’re under is a step too far.
There is a mile of difference in that and blasting it on Twitter.
It’s how you get them working in blocking our ability to use these these for a legitimate and useful purpose of taking back control of our own devices.
Well the malevolent people I’m concerned about are the ones who sold me a TV I can’t control and who stole the Internet to make you rent our collective knowledge we built together.
Just open up any coding agent you like, locally hosted or otherwise, give it network permissions and the model number, and let it cook. These TV’s are basically unsecured.
I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV?
software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV’s. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV?
So, “local” would require a pretty powerful machine here and “cloud” might eventually stop being an option because they don’t want you to do such things using their cloud models.
Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don’t. You’ve used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked.
I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit.
Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn’t “do” anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus.
Like I genuinely don’t care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs.
You have strong opinions. That’s fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine.
Well, if you’re being pedantic: prompt doesn’t seem to fit as it refers to the “user” turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the “user” and “assistant”.
Look AI code gets a ton of hate. And rightfully so. But you can use a coding agent to basically completely take control of hardware you own. It takes minutes.
Could you go into more detail for those of us who don’t want to brick their tv? I think you’re over estimating some of our knowledge base.
There’s a repo with ready-made APKs for many TV models: https://github.com/Gathin23/cleanyourtv
And if your specific one isn’t supported, it has instructions how to do it with AI yourself
Oh cool, I’m sending that to my programmer wife to let her try if she’s interested when the Samsung TV version is out. I’m an engineer and thus not allowed to mess with the programming of anything shared.
So bascially use adb to debloat and configure a custom launcher apk? But instead of manual installation, agent using MCP?
Was watching gamers nexus. Opened up codex. Gave it network permissions. It was able to fully take control of the TV in minutes. It even navigated to the admin panel and gave me the code to plug in. Very quickly had figured out some of the major API’s. In a half hour, I was able to get a container/ program set up to just “send” any stream I wanted to the TV without having to use any Samsung services. Then, scramble/ poison telemetry data/ advertising data. Whatever you like. None of it is worth publishing. But I wanted to control the TV I bought. The one I own. In my house. That I paid for. And I think its royally fucked up the world we live in that there are any barriers to that.
So, this all sounds completely plausible, but at the same time it also sounds totally crazy right! I mean that anyone could do that without actually knowing a lot about the specific system being compromised… Nuts.
I guess I’m just curious, how much experience do you have with writing software, reverse engineering or hacking? Because I just can’t wrap my head around how a layman could accomplish this. The possibility of being able to un-enshitify the devices we purchase is really very exciting.
I had the tv for ages and I basically never turned it on because it was so enshittified with their shit software anyways.
I do have experience with software and reverse engineering but it’s not what you think. It’s mostly trying to reverse engineer pin outs for old scientific equipment or rat tailed sensors that come from China with no documentation. Check my post history.
I didn’t need to do shit for the TV thing. I just finished watching the episode of GN and was like " well I’ve got a Samsung that’s basically a brick anyways because it’s so enshittifed, worst that could happen is it stays a brick.
What I found out is I don’t need to rewrite the firmware to take control. There are basically APIs for most things.
Just go try it.
Just don’t use OpenAI or Anthropic cloud models for reverse engineering your TV’s APIs. This guy got banned from OpenAI for doing this research on his Samsung TV, and there are reports of Anthropic models starting to refuse reverse engineering tasks, having been given new guidance. Apparently proles learning about the corporate surveillance they’re under is a step too far.
Hence the point about not fucking advertising it.
You made the same exact statement yesterday and got buried in downvotes. Man, this fucking place sometimes…
Just gonna throw it out there that at least one of the parties to this interaction is being consistent.
They are saying that if you are using a cloud model, you are advertising it by default.
There is a mile of difference in that and blasting it on Twitter.
It’s how you get them working in blocking our ability to use these these for a legitimate and useful purpose of taking back control of our own devices.
Not today, no, no difference at all today.
I assume all your interactions with AI are being analyzed continuously and they will keep getting more restrictive about what you can use it for.
Which models would you recommend from whom to get this done?
True, but it may also allow malevolent people to take control of hardware they do not own.
Well the malevolent people I’m concerned about are the ones who sold me a TV I can’t control and who stole the Internet to make you rent our collective knowledge we built together.
Examples/HOWTO?
Just open up any coding agent you like, locally hosted or otherwise, give it network permissions and the model number, and let it cook. These TV’s are basically unsecured.
Assume I’m a newb. What kind of prompt would you give it? “ I have model x. Please find it and fix the apps on it to not record my information”?
My conversation literally started like:
I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV?So, “local” would require a pretty powerful machine here and “cloud” might eventually stop being an option because they don’t want you to do such things using their cloud models.
Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don’t. You’ve used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked.
I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit.
Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn’t “do” anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus.
Like I genuinely don’t care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs.
You have strong opinions. That’s fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine.
OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong.
Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices.
You can just take control, like you own them (because you do).
What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because…?
Got excited and wrong.
Your prompt*
One can’t converse with a non-entity
Well, if you’re being pedantic: prompt doesn’t seem to fit as it refers to the “user” turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the “user” and “assistant”.
Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field
Language policing is very Woke 1.0
I’m not policing
I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient
No you are. That’s what that is.