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    You’re overlooking the part where he’s hollowing out and destroying the evil empire from within.

    You’re missing the part where Mrs Cackles would’ve kept the global majority under the boot of white supremacists.

    You might think West has the mandate from YHWH or Jeebus to dictate terms to the whole world. I don’t.

    Obama and Hillary had the option to not play stupid games such as funding ISIS and arming them to topple Asad. They had the option to not turn Libya into hell on earth. Was their country under Gadaffi perfect? Of course not - but it was still better than what France and USA turned it into.

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      You might think West has the mandate from YHWH or Jeebus to dictate terms to the whole world. I don’t.

      Pro tip for discussions, inaccurate jabs like this are how you get rightfully labeled as a bad faith actor and are a sign you are trying to mentally position your opponent as dismissable rather than actually argue against their points. Anyways:

      You’re overlooking the part where he’s hollowing out and destroying the evil empire from within.

      How have Trump’s actions led to the collapse of the “evil empire”? Or how will they? What mechanism will cause this collapse, what does “collapse” mean to you, and why do you expect the end result to be an improvement?

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        Why do you firmly believe that white supremacists should continue to be the hegemons dictating terms to billions?

        Pro tip for real life, majority of the world is tired of western chauvinists acting like they have the right to overrule everyone else.

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            You’re entitled to your opinions.

            Idk why think the world stops spinning, humanity stops existing and systems stop working if West doesn’t get a final say on everything in everyone else’s life.

            It’s not “my solution”. It’s happening regardless of how you and I feel about it.

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              Idk why think the world stops spinning, humanity stops existing and systems stop working if West doesn’t get a final say on everything in everyone else’s life.

              Can you point to where in this thread I showed support for the fascist US government and their pattern of destructive foreign intervention?

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                why do you expect the end result to be an improvement?

                You can’t even acknowledge that billions of humans deserve the right to self determination without Western approval.

                You don’t think their lives can improve without West’s paternalistic guidance.

                You guys go cry about white supremacists losing control. I’ll celebrate it. Life goes on.

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                  why do you expect the end result to be an improvement?

                  I did not say it would not be an improvement. I asked primarily how you expect the collapse of the united states to happen, and secondarily why you expect the resulting state(s) (it will certainly not remain stateless!) that will come to take the former US’s resources when it collapses to do better than the united states has. Fascism is a cultural problem, and culture comes from the people. Unless you just wiped the USA off the map entirely, a collapse may well make the problem worse by radicalizing the populace and enabling an incredibly large-scale war.

                  You can’t even acknowledge that billions of humans deserve the right to self determination without Western approval.

                  Incorrect

                  You don’t think their lives can improve without West’s paternalistic guidance.

                  Missed again

                  You guys go cry about white supremacists losing control. I’ll celebrate it. Life goes on.

                  It must be fun living in a fantasy land where you invent whatever you want to believe about reality. So fulfilling!

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                    Then why are you so butthurt and crying about me celebrating the demise of USian hegemony? Celebrate with the rest of the world.

                    an incredibly large-scale war.

                    Those cost incredible amounts of money. A brokebitch Britain hasn’t been able to colonize Ireland anymore, which was their oldest one. A brokeass USA won’t be able to launch foreign campaigns, overthrow foreign governments etc. Which is a good thing!

                    how you expect the collapse of the united states to happen

                    It’s happening regardless of what you or I think or feel. Which is great for the global majority.

                    radicalizing the populace

                    They already are. Always have been. It’s a white supremacist shithole.

                    will come to take the former US’s resources when it collapses to do better than the united states has.

                    Them losing their grip over the rest of the world doesn’t mean they will cease to exist. Just because USA steals everyone else’s stuff doesn’t mean everyone else will do the same to them.

                    You are sounding exactly like those USian racists who feared “if we let the slaves be free and equal, they’ll treat us the way we treated them”. Which is not how it played out in real life.

                    It must be fun living in a fantasy

                    You tell me. You’re the one living in it.

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      Just out of curiosity, what do you think happens when the US empire collapses into warlords? Because the nukes aren’t just gonna disappear.

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        Are they the only ones with those weapons?

        Is the entire world just supposed to bend over and keep getting shafted by white supremacists because USA got nukes?

        The collapse has started. There’s no turning back at this point, thankfully. It’s up to them to decide if they want to play nice with the rest of the world or keep living in their bubble.

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          Do you think you’ll have better luck with a young, charismatic colonel who has managed to earn the absolute loyalty of his men through sheer competence without ever publicly stating a political position?

          Because if you do, I have a number of Latin American paradises to sell you. (Those colonels go by el presidente now)

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            Who do you think kept overthrowing elected governments to install dictators in so many countries around the world?

            Especially in Latin America?

            Who do you think is responsible for making sure Haiti or Cuba can’t succeed?

            Do you think USians ever tired of carrying all that White Man’s Burden? It must be exhausting having to teach billions of people how to be “civilized”, no? Poor USians… my heart goes out to em!

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              So your solution is just to make things worse for everybody, worldwide, without any forethought?

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                Why do you think that the world shifting away from a eurocentric worldview is automatically going to make things worse for everybody?

                Who told you that humanity can not survive without white supremacists controlling the lives of everyone else?

                Why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that things got worse for billions when USA assumed the position of the sole hegemon?

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                  Because you’re proposing doing so through immediate collapse instead of the gradual decline of the last 30 years.

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      where he’s hollowing out and destroying the evil empire from within.

      Accelerationism is evil. You don’t care about the millions that will die for the remote possibility that things could get better.

      Mrs Cackles would’ve kept the global majority under the boot of white supremacists.

      Letting hundreds of thousands of African children die is worse.

      They had the option to not turn Libya into hell on earth.

      Fewer murders than Trump.