There are a whole lot of people saying that group ethics has created a lot of horrible fallout and loss of life over human history and then there’s you with your made up perfect democracy that doesn’t exist and hasn’t really remotely existed since like the Athenians (and even then they had a fucking slave class), at least partially due to the logistics of scale, and the horrible selfishness of the general population, and then there’s you suggesting that we’re tankies because you can’t wrap your head around that fact that people disagree with you not because they are communist apologists, but because they see a fundamental flaw in your argument that the will of the people is the best ethical barometer.