• John@lemmy.ml
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      You have a very warped view of what Socialists believe in.

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        Socialists believe in a real try at social equality. Tankies believe you must murder people or at least ignore large amounts of suffering to force it in one fell swoop.

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          Tankies believe you must murder people or at least ignore large amounts of suffering to force it in one fell swoop.

          yes, because tankies arent utopian and they know real change takes sacrifices, and it has happened throughout history

          Real utopians are those who think we can liberate mankind without death and violence

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        I’m talking specifically about tankies, you know that kind of people who worship the likes of Putin and Xi and root for Hamas and the Houthis.

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          I dont care about putin and Xi but I support hamas and houthis for resisting zionist forces

          what does that make me?

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            Supporting fascists makes you a fascist. Just because they fight against other fascists doesn’t make it better in any way.

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          “tankie” is pejorative term used by fascists and libs for Socialists and Communists. the people who use the term tankie unironically often denounce many or all existing Socialist states (Cuba, China, DPRK, etc) as “authoritarian”.

          I repeat: You have a very warped view of what Socialists believe in.

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          “tankie” is pejorative term used by fascists and libs for Socialists and Communists. the people who use the term tankie unironically often denounce many or all existing Socialist states (Cuba, China, DPRK, etc) as “authoritarian”.

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            No it isn’t. It’s a pejorative term for fake leftists who do not have regard for human life even though that is supposed to be the only concern they have. Sure, it might get overused or incorrectly applied on this platform. But that’s because we’ve seen so many damn true tankies.

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              Its clear how liberals call themselves leftists and real leftists as tankies, “regard for human life” is not a marxist position, its a moral position and marxism is not moralism, its materialism and deals with real stuff affecting lives scientifically. You dont know anything about the left, you are a liberal.

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                You’re right. Karl marx gave you a license to murder and so your conscience can be clean. /s

                You’re a murderous tankie. Now are you happy that I assumed more than you told me also? Don’t expect another reply you absolute fraud (who is likely 19). No one gives a shit what you think is leftist. If you claim your goal is to free people then you’re a liar if you think getting there requires murder.

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                  Liberals murdered countless people during french revolution to free them, you dumbfucks live in an ideal world and then proceed to call others “utopian”, no you daft, the rich and powerful (mostly libs) are already killing people as we speak. If our enemy has no conscience you cant deal with them in peace.

                  Edit: You are a lib, accept it and move on, you dont know that leftists were never non violent type, be it anarchist or marxists, they were all violent, thats what the left is, I know it doesnt fit your moral standard but it is what it is.

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              It’s a pejorative for what you perceive as fake leftists, but in actuality are just the group of people that support the DPRK, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, and Laos. You perceive this support as a disregard for human life, because you view these countries negatively. The actual base of what makes a tankie is support for these socialist countries, though, your opinion on them is not the definition. In any case, by your definition the Black Panther Party were fake leftists with no regard for human life:

              In reality, tankies are just the socialists that support the actuality of existing revolution, the Black Panthers being predecessors to the modern tankie in America.