An intrusive thought is an unwelcome, involuntary thought, image, or unpleasant idea that may become an obsession, is upsetting or distressing, and can feel difficult to manage or eliminate.
“trans woman” not “transwoman”. Trans is an adjective, like tall or short (it’s not “tallwoman”). “Transwoman” is a slur used by fascists to avoid acknowledging that trans women are women.
My girlfriend told me she prefers “transwoman” because it looks neater that way. Neither she nor I heard it was a slur.
I get that (even if I find “trans woman” much neater myself) but it is still language spread intentionally by fascists: its semantics further an agenda that claims trans women are not women. I would respectfully ask her to take this into account.
It sucks to have to ask; I wish we were in a world where it didn’t matter :(
Bigots just call them men. They don’t have the mental capacity for grammar.
It depends on whether they’re pretending not to be bigots (or are unaware that they’re bigoted). It’s easier to mask transphobia as common sense if you use nearly the right terminology.
That’s fair. I’m sure there are nefarious “centrist” type bigots who are trying to seem sensible in their hate. It’s just really hard to notice them with all the screaming psychopath type bigots.
I’m in the UK, where the majority position seems to be I accept that trans people exist, and will be polite enough to use their preferred name and pronouns, but they should be banned from sport and toilets and domestic abuse shelters and all their legal rights should be based solely off their DNA and intersex people don’t exist, and also children shouldn’t hear about any of this because every person who claimed to be trans before they were an adult changed their mind and regretted any treatment they got, and all of this is science-backed common sense and anything else is extremism, with the self-aware bigots being the second largest group.
Oh. So they’re bigots who are too cowardly to be up front about it. That’s sad.
Most bigots are
Respectfully, can you cite a 3rd party source for the claim that ‘transwoman’ is a slur? I am having difficulty finding any form of documentation for that and I want to better understand its distinction.
Everything I see online seems to affirm it as the same as “trans woman”. I can even find it being used by trans women in a non-slur fashion, but I am having trouble finding it used as a slur. Thanks in advance.
They just made it up
First source I happened to find
Trans woman is two words, with trans simply modifying the broader category of woman. The one-word compound transwoman is outdated but has recently been adopted by some anti-trans political groups; do not use it in news copy.
“Slur” might have been a hyperbolic phrasing (as I am sick and tired of seeing this kind of language) but at minimum it is offensive. Subtly derogatory and harmful language is everywhere, and lots of people adopt it without really realising the ramifications (c.f. “biological sex”).
I suppose we could have a semantic argument about the difference between a true slur and this kind of thing, but I think it’s somewhat besides the point. I’m not here to admonish anyone for accidentally using harmful language, I just want people to use better language.
I do think hyperbolically calling it a slur is not helping your cause. I understand the logic as to why “trans woman” is usually preferable (though, see OP’s response for how there might be exceptions), but it’s more one of those small linguistic things that can make a difference in perception that is used innocently 90% of the time, which is very different from a slur.
For instance, the reason I always defaulted to “transwoman” is simply that in my native language, you generally don’t put spaces between compounds (I’ve made an effort to change it tho since u started pointing it out since as I said I get the reasoning). Assuming nefarious intentions for something like this isn’t likely to get people on your side
Assuming nefarious intentions for something like this isn’t likely to get people on your side
Calling a word someone used a slur does not necessarily assume nefarious intentions; slurs are used unknowingly by some people quite often. See for instance some older people who unthinkingly use words that were not considered slurs in their youth.
As I said in another comment, I didn’t and am not assuming nefarious intent, I just want people to stop using offensive language.
Thank you for the excellent response.
From where I am slurs are used against minorities as default. Nigger comes from history of oppression and mispronouncitation of the Spanish word for while transwoman has it written there itself. While latter is not even frowned upon the former requires social/historical context. Idk why you would even need a source. If I get banned for my comment it is what is. I just find it stupid to say N-word when we’re talking about the same word and only the word itself.
If I get banned for my comment it is what is.
For what it’s worth, you don’t seem to be using it with malicious intent. That’s my determining factor for taking action.
I do appreciate people not using any in the first place though. So let’s, you know, not use any?
Rsspectfully, I’d like a source because I have seen this spelling used innocently in the wild, can find it used innocently in searches and cannot find any use of it as a slur. The OP made an innocent post and “correcting” them with a condescending tone seems a bit much. But I genuinely want to respect the facts, so I was as polite as I could be about it. And then I got a more condescending, defensive response from you, a person who feels entitled to use slurs.
I’m just old enough to not give a teeny tiny chicken fried fuck what tough guys and bullies think (online or in person) and am happy to stand up in direct defense of people innocently baring themselves. In this case, OP happens to be a pretty decent person (as evidenced by their post history) and I feel a bit more motivated than usual to step in and speak up on their behalf when they are borderline accused of using a slur. Something you are overtly guilty of in your defense of the person I am politely questioning.
Want to keep going? I don’t have a lot of time left on earth and I am going to spend as much of it as possible fucking with bullies. So, let’s play!
(Not defending the comment you replied to)
The OP made an innocent post and “correcting” them with a condescending tone seems a bit much. But I genuinely want to respect the facts, so I was as polite as I could be about it.
FWIW, I appreciate that you were polite. I can see how my tone was interpreted as condescending, which is not ideal for changing minds, though as a woman who actually is trans and is well versed in the sociopolitical and linguistic context of this discussion, I felt it was quite reasonable to take offense and respond as such.
Your correction was warranted and is helpful for allies to support our family and friends. Sometimes a friendly tone is hard to convey in text. And gawd knows what nonstop bullshit the trans community (and loved ones like OP) has to deal with from actual bigots, so I’m grateful for the education every chance I can get it. Thank you.
former employee of organisation dedicated to killing people is afraid of getting killed, ironic!
13 upvotes and 13 downvotes. Nobody touch the votes here!
Why did you give the definition of an intrusive thought? This doesn’t feel like a shitpost.
Some things are worth dying for.
1999 was a long time ago.
Society has definitely improved a lot as far as queer acceptance goes.
Its certainly gotten better but theres still a significant population that wants to drag us back to that time and worse.
The US military trends like 70% conservative. And surely by no coincidence, they have significant problems with rape and femicide to this day.
And now the worst degenerate backsliders have implicit permission all the way from the top to be their worst selves. Because not raping women and killing queers is woke or something.
The acceptable passing score for men on the ASVAB is really low.
Depends on rating/MOS.
Not coincidental that the communities with higher required ASVABs tend to also lean more left; nukes, cyber, translators, etc. Meanwhile ordnance and undes…
This is a weird template to use for the subject matter given Moxxie is mafia. lol
WAS Mafia. After Chaz betrayed him and he wound up in jail, he is just an assassin now.
Fucking chaz
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