Quoting crime statistics based on gender:
Quoting crime statistics based on race:
Quoting crime statistics based on race, like the old “13/50” trope, is often used to enforce racist notions that minority groups are inherently bad people. It’s punching down at marginalized people.
This meme, at least as I see it, is the opposite. It’s satirizing the usual crap from the anti-feminist crowd claiming that women are inherently inferior. It’s punching up at sexist men.
Statistics put men globally as being 81% of the victims of violent crime. And the perpetrators of that crime being less than 1% of the male population. So to put it another way, youre making the same argument as racists when they claim that all black guys sell drugs because some black guy sold them a joint one time.
This is just yet another in a long line of “men bad” memes, in an online society that accepts and celebrates bigotry.
So…statistics are only valid when they promote your ideals?
Or is it that, in your mind, the stats that don’t run parallel with your ideals have obviously been misinterpreted or fudged?
Just trying to figure out your stance on statistical data.
Statistics are just numbers. What matters is how they are used. Anyone who has studied stats knows that it’s common to craft misleading conclusions from real data.
So what is the “right” way to use them?
So long as they are helping the “downtrodden”* it’s ok to see the numbers differently?
I have studied statistics. In my studies I learned that numbers do not lie, people lie. And, as was stated before, people can manipulate numbers to match their narrative.
I’ve seen studies published as “fact” just because the author manipulated the numbers to match their findings.
This is what we should base our outlook on?
*in this instance, “downtrodden” refers to the person or group deemed savable by those who are looking to be a savior.
I’ve seen critically reviewed papers that mouth breathers like you are taking up too much oxygen. You should look at yourself in the mirror. How much does it hurt?
Stats are valid when they are used in the proper context and are not being misrepresented. For example, Black and Native American people account for a disproportionate number of drowning deaths in the US. But it would be irresponsible to simply conclude that those groups are inherently bad swimmers. Just like the way the 13/50 trope is irresponsibly used to imply non-whites are inherently more prone to criminal behavior.
All that aside, this meme isn’t attacking men. It’s attacking sexist tropes used against women.
All that aside, this meme isn’t attacking men. It’s attacking sexist tropes used against women.
Nah, it’s a sexist joke. But it’s funny because “Haha, men bad”.
It’s equivalent to making a joke like this: “Men do care about their feelings. Feeling their dick being sucked”
I think this one might have gone over your head mate.
Which part? The fact that OP made a sexist joke, or the part where Lemmy(in general) is vitriolic in response to certain statistics?
Imagine running an excavator with a hard hat on like you don’t have ROPS/FOPS.
You do realize everyone has to wear a hard hat on a construction site by osha safety standards right?
That’s what the FOPS is for.
I, for one, for sure, would be grateful for the hard hat in a ROPS event. Even a FOPS event.
I’m googling OSHA and it seems to be some American thing, not a global rule?
Don’t other countries have their own Oshas just called Something else?
If you are talking globally then using a country specific name for it seems confusing
But just because you are talking on a global forum doesn’t mean you can’t talk about your personal experience
You were talking to someone else though, not just saying how it is for you
What do you mean? We’re just describing what we see in the picture and how it compares to our lived experience.
Does your country have an osha or can people go to construction sites without hardhats, or do you have a regulating body but hardhats aren’t required / the rules aren’t enforced?
Saying OSHA is like saying Kleenex to us, we don’t even realize it is a brand name. It has become the generic term in our en_us language anyway.
Wow, com’on now we can do this!
But but but if they did 80% then MEN wouldn’t be taken seriously!!!
How so? They can both do 80%. This will increase the total number of crimes to 160% but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to pay to protect equality, the second amendment and the free world.
So who’s committing the final 80% of crime then? Nonbinary people?
80% (women) + 80% (men) + 80% (non binary) + 80% (pets) = 160% (total)
What about children. Why won’t anyone ever think of the children!!!???!
Children aren’t allowed to do crime. It’s illegal for them
More like, want to have the same outcome as men at 80% of the effort.
Or am I making a shitty effort meme that mimics OP? If you’re offended by this joke and not by OP, think of your own bias.
OP is a lighthearted joke that punches up, whereas yours was the opposite. Maybe think about your own biases, jackass.
how the fuck is attacking men punching “up”? Are men a monolith in your world?
We’re not a monolith but I am aware of some facts about us, like we’re statistically more likely to have shorter hair and take more dangerous jobs and commit violence—none of which offend me although the third one is incredibly disappointing.
I believe I can see where you’re coming from. That said I would be interested in reading a bit more about your perspective on why this meme attacks men. Thank ya
Lets take the worst black man in the world, and then apply his actions to the whole… Lets take the worst woman in the world, and then apply her actions to the whole… Lets take the worst… You get the idea. The lack of nuance in arguments is why a lot women think that men are all totally safe walking home at night. Worse, they think they are at great danger walking home at night, when the statistics say that they are in FAR more danger when they get home. And thats with underreporting of violence in the home.
I mean, men are also victims 81% of the time according to the UNODC. We get 100% of the blame for the crimes, but 0% of the outcry for being the victims of that crime. And everyone seems real fucking comfortable being bigoted as fuck when it comes to men. And the actual number is 91% of violent crimes is done by men, but the % of men that are violent criminals is between 0.3 and 0.6%. So 100% of men globally endure hate and bigotry because of the actions of less than 1% of the total. Does that sound like “punching up” to you?
Hush you. Men are supposed to just take it. Women and children first.
No emotional support for men. Keep the demands on them. Keep berating them for striving to meet those demands. Keep taking away their ability to support a family. Keep demanding them to. Keep judging men with the hasty generalisation fallacy, ignoring the statistical outliers. Keep men dying younger. Keep saying “patriarchy” like all men are all advantaged rulers. ;-}
80% of violent crime? Cute. Lesbians are busy cornering the space crime market (allegedly).
