Today was a big day for gamers as Valve just introduced three products: the Steam Controller, the Steam Machine, and the Steam Frame. When you add this alongside the Steam Deck, I think it’s safe to say that Valve is about to win the next console generation.
That would be terrible in the long run, they said it would be competitive with pc pricing, not consoles (it’s a pc after all), so it would just be used as precedent to skyrocket console prices
Anything cheaper than PS5 pro and is as good or better performance-wise -> market gonna have a fun time! No one can claim after that PCs are expensive to build/buy than a console and consoles are better for gaming. The line is going to be completely blurred.
Steam Deck made PC handheld gaming possible. I can only imagine what will be possible with a full fledged machine. And if they will release SteamOS for other hardware - that’ll be extreme win for PC Gaming in many years.
Probably not but surely will leave a dent on console market.
Premature celebration much? They haven’t even announced pricing. Steam Machine could be $1200 and DOA for all we know.
Premature celebration much?
Yes, OP is doing this… To begin with, I can go out to my local Walmart and buy an Xbox, a PS5 or a Switch any day… The Steam Deck can’t even be shipped to Mexico even to this day lol (and we are quite close to the USA).
Lol, “quite close”
What’s the matter? English is not my native language, but I think it is clear what I meant.
It is about as powerful as Minisforum HX100G, except GPU is RDNA3 and CPU is underclocked I guess. Minisforum Neptune series are (were, case try to fucking find a unit now) sold around 800euro. Considering tiny market for miniPCs, price is okay. Valve, on the other hand, will have much bigger market due to brand recognition. And price probably going to be lower since hardware is not exactly fresh new and it going to be mass produced.
My guess, 600euro for 512GB SSD, 650 for 1TB.
Edit: 512, not 256
versions will be 512GB and 2TB
Oh. True! Thanks! Fixed it!
It’s not the latest and greatest PC hardware, which should drive down the price a ton. I bet they looked at the latest consoles and said “We don’t have to innovate at all, we just just have to not be assholes”
A lot of people are talking about loss-leading, but I think what the Steam Machine needs is a dual purpose.
The best the article seems to mention is using it as a desktop. I don’t think that’s quite on par with the PS3’s blu-ray player and use in scientific workloads.
Valve told LTT that it’s not going to be sold as a loss leader.
I got a ps5 as early as i could mainly for 4k blurays so i could watch blade runner 2049 and spiderverse with atmos
A lot of people are talking about loss-leading
I don’t think it could be a loss-leader for Valve. If the price/performance is good enough, what’s stopping companies from buying a lot to use as work stations? No company is going to buy Steam Decks for office software, but they might buy a Steam Machine.
If that happens and every Steam Machine is actually sold at a loss then it’d be a big problem for Valve
If it runs SteamOS by default, I don’t think it would be used as an office device unless there’s a distro designed for office use on the Steam Machine, which itself would only happen if it gets wide adoption as an office machine. In essence a catch 22.
unless there’s a distro designed for office use on the Steam Machine
It’s a PC. You can just put any Linux distro or even Windows on it. Some people even did that with the Steam Deck when it released
It’s not about what’s technically feasible, it’s about what the tech guys can convince the CEO of.
And it’s not hard to swap OS’s, so if the economics work out they could still do it. You haven’t disproven my point
I might be way off the mark, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it priced like the OLED Steam Deck. At least at launch.
With a later price increase due to RAM and SSD shortages.
It’s smart of them to give it a consumer friendly price and it would track with what they did with the steam deck.
Just like the other big names, steam can sell it at a very low margin since they make their money with the store. I wouldn’t be surprised if they even sell it at a lost to quickly gain market share.
Loss-leading with new hardware has been a de facto standard for about as long as consoles have existed, so I’d be shocked if a company as consumer-attuned as Valve somehow missed this and priced themselves out of the market.
Especially because they are literally known for creating things that sell at a loss and learning profound lessons from the thing they sell.
Also, they’re the most progressive group to not engage in Patent warfare since Volvo made the 3-point seatbelt.
Valve knows how to help an ecosystem grow and pays attention to it’s user base.
Nobody was talking shit and you still had to come in here and bootlick.
Steam is the exact same as every other big platform, they grab their 30% like everyone else. Gaben literally has a billion dollars worth of boats. Stop defending billionaires and their money sucking contraptions.
I forgot that Gaben is literally all of Valve.
I’m not here to lick Gabe’s boots, I’m here to point out that sometimes, companies do good things. There are a lot of people making money and doing development at Valve, almost none of them are Gabe, but I guess fuck the laborers because their CEO consolidates money and fucks around on the Stock Market.
Yes, Gabe is included in Eat the Rich, but the people that work at Valve shouldn’t be held accountable to to his faults. Conflating the Labor with the Owner is a take though.
If it’s more expensive than a entry-level gaming laptop, then I doubt the average user would buy a Steam Machine, when a laptop is far more flexible.
It has to be cheaper and more convenient than what’s currently available.
“Flexible” doesn’t sell as much as “Easy”
I don’t doubt that.
I think familiarity is also important, maybe more so than ease of use.
A lot of people know Windows and how to use it (at least for the basics.)
Steam OS is still extremely niche.
That’s why I think the Steam Machine has to have price on its side to push people to consider buying a gaming-focused PC rather than a more general purpose gaming laptop. Particularly when everyone is struggling with rising costs.
A lot of gamers will be buying it just for playing games and nothing else, and use it like a console
I think you’re kind of missing the point. This thing is meant to take a bite out of the much larger console market. It doesn’t need to compete with a gaming laptop’s pricing if the people it’s targeting weren’t going to buy a gaming laptop.
True, I agree.
In my head, unless it’s in the 400-600 range, a gaming laptop makes more sense. I suspect generally other prospective buyers would too.
Steam OS whilst great, still doesn’t run as many games as Windows. Particularly certain popular multiplayer ones with kernel-level anti-cheat.
At the moment all we have is Valve’s theory that if the Steam Machine becomes really popular, Devs might update their games to work on Steam OS/linux. But equally they might not.
In a world where everything is getting more expensive (apart from TVs), I’m not sure the average person has the spare income to buy another single-purpose machine (yes, Steam OS can do more, but it’s designed to be used for gaming). A Windows laptop is more flexible.
I can see this hardware appealing to a lot of people, regardless of price though. Kid’s first PC for example.
I really want this machine to be a success. I would love to ditch Windows completely, as soon as possible.
Yeah $400-600 is about the price point I was thinking. But it’s Valve, so who the hell knows?
Sure pricing hasn’t been announced, but people can start speculating about the BOM.
So they can start making inaccurate guesses about something only tangentially related to the price. Cool.
Spoilers: it’s not going to
They have already stated that it won’t be price competitive with consoles. But hopefully a lot of people will realise they will save money in the long run through steam sails and not being locked into a single store.
Then it’s definitely not going to kill the big 3
Whooaaaa, slow down.
It’s going to be awesome, but there’s no way Valve and spin up the production volume of a PlayStation or Xbox that fast. It will probably take a few more Steam Machines to get there.
Given that their system is open-source, other manufacturers will step in, as they did with Steam Deck-style handhelds, further expanding the Steam platform at the expense of XBox, PlayStation and Nintendo,
I mean, we already have Gaming PC OEMs and mini PCs. It’d be awesome if they start shipping SteamOS, but they can’t sell hardware at a near loss + make up for it with Steam sales + guarantee hardware support in software like Valve can.
And most don’t have the volume for “semi custom” AMD SKUs.
EDIT: The only entity I could see doing this is Intel, selling an Arc Steam Machine. That would be awesome, actually.
If it prices comparably to the next Xbox and PlayStation consoles, they may be onto something. I still think it’ll just carve Valve a sizeable spot in the market. But who knows, maybe Xbox’s business model collapses. There hasn’t been much of a reason to buy an Xbox if you already own a PC, and PCs priced like consoles could definitely put a dent in their sales.
a sizable spot is a win no?
For sure, but it’s not “winning the console generation”
pumped for the frame. Hoping its reasonably priced because I do not want to give Meta any of my money
I am so excited for the frame. The only problem with it so far is that my eyes suck ass and their support for glasses is by all accounts not sufficient yet
But aside from that I’m about ready to give them whatever amount of money they ask for it
My eyes also suck ass but it looks like glasses fit just like in the index, and they’ll have first party inserts (whereas with the index you had to find third party ones). It also supposedly has a spacer if you need more space, which is something I wish was a thing for the Index because I couldn’t let some of my friends try because their glasses were too big and they couldn’t see without glasses.
and they’ll have first party inserts
Woah, is this confirmed? Because that makes is much more attractive to me.
It was I think in the tested interview with norm and the optics guy when he asked about the lack of diopters, and after explaining why they didn’t add diopter adjustment (astigmatism), the engineer mentions that they’ve been able to make good corrective inserts and that they’re working on making that available. It doesn’t sound definite but it seems like it’s part of the current plan.
Well, that’s cool. It’d be a good reason to upgrade my headaet if inserts are available.
(BTW, diopters adjust for near- and far-sightedness. Astigmatism is where the cornea or lens is irregularly shaped, and needs special lenses to correct, not just a focusing mechanism, which is all a diopter is.)
Yes that’s probably what they (and I) was getting at when they said that astigmatism is a big reason why they didn’t add diopters, since it would be a lot of work to only solve it for people without astigmatism.
I assumed anyone interested in glasses or lens inserts would know what I meant when I said astigmatism is the reason they didn’t do diopters 😅
I mainly have just astigmatism so diopters don’t do anything for me.
Good fuck ms with a rusty pipe
Unlikely, but they will carve a niche for themselves for people who want more than just a console, perhaps it will win over some people who cross shop consoles and PCs. More importantly it will help grow GNU+Linux.
4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR, thanks to a discrete semi-custom AMD desktop class CPU and GPU.
Source: Steam Machine page on Steam
Maybe I’m expecting too much on a small build PC but I’m not too keen on having to use FSR to get decent performance on higher display resolution than 1080p. But we will see how it performs and when reviews are in. I’m cautiously optimistic otherwise.
The key being FSR 3.
If it was FSR 4, that’d much better looking at high res.
They’ve entered the ring but we have no idea what pricing will look like and the machine is looking like it will be less powerful than the ps5/xsx, even before console optimizations are taken into account.
We do have some idea based upon the price of all the components in the bill of materials, and the expected markup. If the markup is the same as the Steam Deck, which was 34%, then the Steam Machine will be about $570. That makes it very competitive with the current gen consoles.
Awesome, this is exactly the kind of information I was hoping to see. Where have you found an analysis of the component / bill of materials costs? I haven’t been able to find that yet.
I doubt the GabeCube will really go anywhere unless it’s 600$ or less, and I doubt it’ll be that cheap. The headset looks good though (I expect that to be 1200$~). Glad there’s a new steam controller too, I need to get one of those
lol, wat
Not really interested in the Machine but the Controller v2 and the Frame look absolutely perfect. Especially that controller - every single annoyance about the v1 seems to have been addressed, from the lack of a real D pad to the ease of accidentally touching the trackpad without meaning to.
Unfortunately for Valve, I’m the type of person who will continue using my Index and Controller v1 until they literally disintegrate in my hands, which hasn’t happened yet because they made them so high quality in the first go around, so I probably won’t be buying either for a while if ever.
