Oddly, you have to actually assert that right in many jurisdictions. In the US, say something like “I plead the fifth” or “I choose to remain silent” and assert your right to an attorney, and shut up until the attorney comes and only speak at the discretion of the attorney. Just staying silent opens you up to attempted manipulation, whereas they must provide an attorney if requested and the attorney may have options to strike some of the manipulation while you wait for the attorney.
Both terrible and admittedly hilarious.
The decision in this case was wrong I think, but it is better to be more accurate in criticism so that people can’t undermine you.
The ruling did not hinge on the “lawyer dog”. You can completely disregard that. The ruling hinged on if he asserted his right in asking for a lawyer.
His exact words:
“I know that I didn’t do it, so why don’t you just give me a lawyer dog ‘cause this is not what’s up.”
Sliced very finely, he did not directly demand a lawyer, but he asked a question. Instead of saying “give me a lawyer” he asked “why don’t you just give me a lawyer?”
I think the ruling was wrong by hinging so finely on his exact wording when he obviously indicated he wanted a lawyer, but if you’re going to make headway please stop repeating the Buzzfeed headline version of the ruling.
The question should be if the cops were not clear on his intent in the statement. They were, they just got lucky in being able to find a judge who also was “confused” on the meaning. They all knew what was meant. Btw, it wasn’t a question. I don’t see a question mark.
I agree that he should have gotten a lawyer. That wasn’t the point of my comment. The point of my comment is that by fixating on the irrelevant “lawyer dog” aspect people are reacting to that part of the case that doesn’t matter.
You can simply remain silent, which doesn’t answer the questions but isn’t considered asserting the right. The important bit is to clearly and unambiguously invoke your right to a lawyer while not answering questions.
Yes, remaining silent works, but explicitly invoking your rights is better. At any rate, don’t tell the cops anything unless your lawyer tells you to.
Land of the free smh
“Land of the free (labour)”
They’re trying to bring feudalism and slavery back.
Slavery never left the US. Slavery is fully constitutional in the USA.
All workers under capitalism are slaves in a loose sense of the word. Your labor creates more profit than what they pay you in wages (otherwise the owners wouldn’t employ anyone). Typically, your wages are only a small fraction of the money your labor makes the owner.
While the capitalist gets to pick a profitable time in which to invest their money (e.g., buy labor, machines, stocks, etc.) the worker is born into institutions that force them, on threat of destitution, to sell themselves by the hour. We are really not much different from feudal serfs.
I didn’t mean “This is like slavery”, I meant that literally the US Constitution specifically allows for prisoners to be used as slaves.
Yes, I know. The US. has literal slave-labor in prisons and US corporations depend on slave labor overseas. But even workers who are better off are being exploited.
In the UK people usually say “no comment”
The answer is that most people have never been in a police interrogation and they think they can talk their way out of it if they just explain themselves enough.
It’s panic thinking. And once you pop you don’t stop.
If you’re in a police interrogation room you have to assume and internally accept that you’re getting charged with something, and not try to talk your way out of it.
Everyone is the hero of their own story. This implies that every person thinks they’re doing the right thing.
So if they’ve been accused of a crime, there must be some misunderstanding. If I explain what happened they’ll let me out because I didn’t do anything wrong.
It’s not the only reason people talk, but it’s a big one.
Remember, the line is: " you have the right to remain silent, anything you say, can and will be used against you".
i mean sometimes i know i’m a big dumb idiot, it’s pretty obvious when we were at the parade and i sat on my chair and it exploded into fifteen pieces right in front of the police officer and he said “you can’t park there, mate” as i was waddling to my feet, there were no heroes
People try and talk their way out of it and dig a deeper hole. For example, what I imagined happening with that Briton arrested for carrying a garden trowel:
“But that tool is sharp, right?”
“A bit”
“If someone attacked you, would you stab them with it?”
“Probably”
“You’ve just admitted to carrying an offensive weapon. Accept this caution or we’ll escalate this further”
My first thought would be to just act stupid in that specific situation and straight up lie out of my ass:
“But that tool is sharp, right?”
“Nope”
“If someone attacked you, would you stab them with it?”
“Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?”
Of course, this also has a high likelihood of backfiring. So just stfu with cops.
I watch this video every time it pops up or randomly when I think of it. Great video
Don’t talk to the cops. Say you want a lawyer and will remain silent. They are not your friend. They have zero interest in “your side” of the story and only wish to gather info to arrest you. Once you’re arrested you are someone else’s problem and they don’t care.
In case you didn’t see it. DONT’T TALK TO COPS.
Why Styven, Why???
For real though, look up the sped up footage of this interrogation, this dude (Stephen McDaniel) is skinwalker-level eerie.
IDK. On the one hand, the dude is likely a psychopath. On the other, if you actually are trying to exercise your right to remain silent, then you pretty much have to look like a complete psychopath during an interrogation. If the cops accuse you of a horrible crime, the natural response is to get emotional and start vehemently defending yourself. Their whole interrogation strategy is to get you worked up, to break down your defenses, and get you to admit or provide evidence to a crime you may or may not have committed. Police interrogators are masters of emotional manipulation.
The only way I can see to get through that is to adopt a grey rock strategy. Just realize that they’re trying to get to you. Disconnect the emotional parts of your brain. Let the words of the cops pass over you unperturbed and simply remain calm, disinterested, and dispassionate. Adopt a soul of ice and refuse to engage with them at all emotionally. This guy made the mistake of talking to them at all. He should have remained dispassionate but also just refused to answer in any form.
I just can’t think of a way to truly remain silent without making yourself look like a psychopath. The natural response by an innocent person to being accused of dismembering someone would be rage, fear, and desperate indignation. But doing so could incriminate them. But if an innocent person is remaining silent, they would by necessity just have to sit there completely uncaring when accused of the most horrible crimes. There’s just no way to exercise your rights without seeming completely insane. And cops use that fact to extract evidence from people.
I mean,he killed the girl and talked to the TV crew on site…
Where he was already setting off the uncanny radar if memory serves. Seeing his reaction to hearing they found the body was pretty wild as well.
