Windows 11 has changed this, many many people now warn other people about not using Windows 11 because it is such shit. Doesn’t matter what you run, just don’t run Windows 11.
That happened with Windows 8 and Vista as well. There was a running joke that every other Windows release was garbage when I was growing up.
And the joke works with 8 and 10 both being shitty, because they skipped 9, which would have been the good one.
They really should have gone with Windows Nine, to bring the naming scheme in line with Xbox One while also avoiding the startswith.('Windows 9') issue
I actually really liked both windows 8 and Vista too.
8 was slimmed down and optimized vs 7. Bootup time on my HDD equipped machine halved, performance was better, and the search was so good I never actually saw the start menu because I’d just blindly hit enter and it opened what I wanted.
Vista had a rough start because they basically had to start fresh with drivers. But I bought a nice new machine about a year after it came out and it ran it flawlessly. Aero looked (and still looks) so cool, and XP was just a crusty old OS by then, let alone 2014 when it finally lost support.
Obsoleting a lot of relatively recent fast hardware means people are either faced with a fuck off or complicated work arounds. Then there is forcing people to log in with their MS email account which they may not have or want or again forcing people into complicated work arounds. The implicit privacy issues of recall if it was rolled out as planned.
Ads in the windows UI both exiting and planned.
The fact that they have discussed the idea of making Windows a monthly/annual fee.
Then the carry overs from 10
The fact that the start menu search is less useful than any linux DE or windows XP
Re-enabling crap that people disabled on purpose
Certain kinds of links opening in Edge even if people use chrome
Ads are…already a thing. Shit like putting candy crush which allows you to spend real money to pay to win. Search suggestions in the start menu. The app store is an attempt at an Apple style money grab except the money grab only exists on the apple side because its the only way to get apps on the machine and MS never got much out its store in comparison.
Ads and subscriptions would already have happened if they had succeeded in using secure boot to lock machines out of alternative OS
Pro or Home? It looks like home is going to try to force you into a microsoft account a lot harder than pro. There are a couple of tricks to bypass it in the OOBE. But if you do sign into an MS account you can go into settings and there’s a button somewhere to switch to a local account. You’d just have to seek that out and it’s a pain.
No… I’ve literally only seen this on Lemmy. I’ve never once encountered anyone in real life that does this.
Edit: and to add, people really don’t like this. I love Linux, but hate this community at this point. It’s disingenuous and I see blatant lies all the time about where I’m going to see ads in windows. I’ve yet to see any ads at all so far.
It is interesting but people have different thresholds for what they consider “ads”
I know Ubuntu took some flak for offering their system — was it Ubuntu Pro? — at their login screen. That’s fine with me, but bothers others.
Ubuntu again did it with some music store app in their app search results.
Meanwhile Windows has stuffed Candy Crush, Office, and many others in the start menu over the years. And sometimes it’s not Microsoft but OEMs doing this.
But is crapware “advertising”? Im not sure but it seems like perceptions have shifted at the same time as Microsoft specifically has pushed more and more intrusive ads, and those have moved further to the “advertising” side of that line between suggestion and spam.
I literally can’t install Windows 11 on my current computer lol. I know there are workarounds for it but I don’t feel comfortable doing that for my primary computer.
I gotta be honest, I actually really like windows 11.
Recall is awful and I hope enough pressure keeps it away (or at least as something you have to manually turn on). But besides that it’s mostly just windows 10 but better. I get better battery life, better performance, I actually mostly like the UI changes etc.
Also does nobody remember all of the hate for 10 when it first came out?
“We like the clean design and improved performance of Microsoft’s latest operating system, but it still suffers from its fair share of issues. Here’s what people gripe about the most.”
And they don’t even mention the ads or that Recall garbage thing that takes screenshots being forced on you even though the public made it obvious they don’t want that. That and all the telemetry; it’s pretty much spyware disguised as an operating system.
I’m sure there are more things but those are just the ones off the top of my head.
Most of those are tiny gripes, and to be honest I don’t care at all about most of them. The OS looks nice, runs well, and is pretty painless. That’s all I want in an OS.
Doesn’t let you just do whatever you want. I turned off the windows firewall in windows 7 and went on with my life. Windows 11 wouldn’t let me download updates with the firewall off.
Windows 11 has changed this, many many people now warn other people about not using Windows 11 because it is such shit. Doesn’t matter what you run, just don’t run Windows 11.
windows 11 isn’ all bad. It made my mother ask me to install linux on her computer.
No one outside of tech communities does that
Even the people I know that are otherwise relatively tech savvy don’t do this.
Not to say it’s a good operating system, though.
That happened with Windows 8 and Vista as well. There was a running joke that every other Windows release was garbage when I was growing up.
And the joke works with 8 and 10 both being shitty, because they skipped 9, which would have been the good one.
They really should have gone with Windows Nine, to bring the naming scheme in line with Xbox One while also avoiding the
startswith.('Windows 9')issueI actually really liked both windows 8 and Vista too.
8 was slimmed down and optimized vs 7. Bootup time on my HDD equipped machine halved, performance was better, and the search was so good I never actually saw the start menu because I’d just blindly hit enter and it opened what I wanted.
Vista had a rough start because they basically had to start fresh with drivers. But I bought a nice new machine about a year after it came out and it ran it flawlessly. Aero looked (and still looks) so cool, and XP was just a crusty old OS by then, let alone 2014 when it finally lost support.
Oof. Hard disagree.
You will need to after Oct 2025 unless you want Linux or Mac OS
Hey, whats so bad about w11?
Obsoleting a lot of relatively recent fast hardware means people are either faced with a fuck off or complicated work arounds. Then there is forcing people to log in with their MS email account which they may not have or want or again forcing people into complicated work arounds. The implicit privacy issues of recall if it was rolled out as planned.
Ads in the windows UI both exiting and planned. The fact that they have discussed the idea of making Windows a monthly/annual fee.
Then the carry overs from 10 The fact that the start menu search is less useful than any linux DE or windows XP Re-enabling crap that people disabled on purpose Certain kinds of links opening in Edge even if people use chrome
Wait i have w11 in my laptop… i dont have a windows account sign in. Is that a forthcoming change?
Ads are fucked, thats fucked.
But it mainly seems like microsoft policy, not necessarily w11 itself is the issue?
I ignorantly think a monthly subscription would never happen and we’d see mass linux adoption.
I have a dual boot in my near term plans for my desktop. I would pull that trigger immediately if ads or subscriptions materialized.
iirc it is during install now. You have to do things that are way beyond the average user’s knowledge or ability to enable a local account.
Ads are…already a thing. Shit like putting candy crush which allows you to spend real money to pay to win. Search suggestions in the start menu. The app store is an attempt at an Apple style money grab except the money grab only exists on the apple side because its the only way to get apps on the machine and MS never got much out its store in comparison.
Ads and subscriptions would already have happened if they had succeeded in using secure boot to lock machines out of alternative OS
Pro or Home? It looks like home is going to try to force you into a microsoft account a lot harder than pro. There are a couple of tricks to bypass it in the OOBE. But if you do sign into an MS account you can go into settings and there’s a button somewhere to switch to a local account. You’d just have to seek that out and it’s a pain.
No… I’ve literally only seen this on Lemmy. I’ve never once encountered anyone in real life that does this.
Edit: and to add, people really don’t like this. I love Linux, but hate this community at this point. It’s disingenuous and I see blatant lies all the time about where I’m going to see ads in windows. I’ve yet to see any ads at all so far.
This is hardly a blatant lie.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/get-rid-of-ads-in-your-windows-10-start-menu/ This is from 2015
https://www.cnet.com/tech/who-wants-ads-in-their-windows-11-start-menu-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/ and now
The fact that you haven’t noticed this doesn’t mean its made up
It is interesting but people have different thresholds for what they consider “ads”
I know Ubuntu took some flak for offering their system — was it Ubuntu Pro? — at their login screen. That’s fine with me, but bothers others.
Ubuntu again did it with some music store app in their app search results.
Meanwhile Windows has stuffed Candy Crush, Office, and many others in the start menu over the years. And sometimes it’s not Microsoft but OEMs doing this.
But is crapware “advertising”? Im not sure but it seems like perceptions have shifted at the same time as Microsoft specifically has pushed more and more intrusive ads, and those have moved further to the “advertising” side of that line between suggestion and spam.
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-disable-annoying-ads-on-windows-11
I literally can’t install Windows 11 on my current computer lol. I know there are workarounds for it but I don’t feel comfortable doing that for my primary computer.
I gotta be honest, I actually really like windows 11.
Recall is awful and I hope enough pressure keeps it away (or at least as something you have to manually turn on). But besides that it’s mostly just windows 10 but better. I get better battery life, better performance, I actually mostly like the UI changes etc.
Also does nobody remember all of the hate for 10 when it first came out?
Unusable on a hard drive, would just freeze while scanning all your files. Wouldn’t let you turn it off
More windows hate circlejerk.
Just upgraded to windows 11 and really like it. What’s so shit about it?
And they don’t even mention the ads or that Recall garbage
thing that takes screenshotsbeing forced on you even though the public made it obvious they don’t want that. That and all the telemetry; it’s pretty much spyware disguised as an operating system.I’m sure there are more things but those are just the ones off the top of my head.
*Edit: I remembered the name of Recall
You could say you … recalled it 😏
Most of those are tiny gripes, and to be honest I don’t care at all about most of them. The OS looks nice, runs well, and is pretty painless. That’s all I want in an OS.
Doesn’t let you just do whatever you want. I turned off the windows firewall in windows 7 and went on with my life. Windows 11 wouldn’t let me download updates with the firewall off.