Hey everyone! I’m finally fed up with Win11 and the bullshit that comes with it for the PC it’s on.
It’s being used as a Jellyfin+arr stack, qbit, Immich, and gaming PC for the living room.
I’m currently in the process of backing up all my important info and am doing research on which distro to use.
I don’t mind tinkering, but for this PC, stability is key. I don’t want to have to go in and update it every week… I want this one to work with minimal maintenance on my part.
I’d likely update it a few times a year, knowing me.
A few hardware specs:
MSI mobo (I’ve learned that UEFI can be a pain), 10600k, 2070 gpu, and will have a pool of 3x8tb drives that I would like to have in raid5 (or something similar) for storage (movies, TV shows, and Immich libraries), the OS will have its own drive, and I have a separate SSD that I have been using to store programs, games, yml’s for docker, and other such things that get accessed more frequently, but aren’t crucial if lost.
I’ve kinda narrowed it down to either Bazzite or CachyOS.
I’ve heard that Bazzite can be a little more locked down, which I’m not a fan of, but CachyOS has features I will likely never touch (schedulers, kernels, etc…).
I don’t want an upkeep heavy OS. I’m moving away from windows for that reason. Win11 has been a nightmare for me with constant reboots and things not loading up until after I log in. Not to mention driver conflicts and all the other BS that’s come with it.
So… What say the hive mind? Is Bazzite going to be too tinker-proof, or is CachyOS just way too much work? Or do I have it all wrong with my perception of both?
Thanks!
Ps: this will be my first full commit to Linux. I’ve dabbled in the past and am no stranger to CLI… So this will likely be a stepping stone into getting my primary PC onto Linux. Go easy on me lol
What you are describing sounds like plain old debian. Stable thing that you can occasionnally update, perfect for all your server stuff. All my servers run CLI debian (probably won’t be your case as you mentionned some gaming on it too) and I tend to forget about updating them (or even having them to be honnest) due to how stable the damn thing is.
I would definitely give Bazzite a try. If you are looking for stability and a set and forget OS. If you don’t like it you could always try something else.
If you are looking for something to tinker with and change things like manually changing packages or messing with services you probably want a more traditional “non-atomic” os
Don’t let talk of the filesystem being “read only” scare you. You can still save files to your desktop and documents and stuff in your user folder.
In windows terms it’s more like imagine
C:/windowsbeing read-only so you can’t break your system. You can still write files to other parts of the drive, but it prevents you from messing up your install (some people like this added layer or stability, some don’t like it because it makes tinkering with your system harder)An atomic OS is kinda like a phone OS, in the sense that every version of iOS 26 comes with the same version of Safari and the same libraries. It makes it so any bugs are reproducible and easier for the developers to track down. Packages are pinned to the OS version. (For example all installs of Bazzite 20260101 will include Nvidia drivers 590.44.01-1)
In a more traditional Linux distro because packages can be updated to whatever version if you install Ubuntu the version of Nvidia drivers is not tied to the OS version. You could have an install of Ubuntu 25.10 and could have a completely different Nvidia driver version from someone else on Ubuntu 25.10. This could make bugs harder to trace because you could have the same OS version but different packages. Think of this like even though you and a friend could both have (Windows 11 25H2 installed you could have different drivers installed)
As for updating Bazzite generally auto updates once a week in the background. It requires 0 manual intervention and keeps your packages and drivers up to date. You can turn this off if you wanted to. Since it uses a “image” based approach (again imagine upgrading from iOS 26 -> 26.1) it is able to save the previous version of the OS. So if the upgrade broke something you can roll your system back to a known good state with a single command.
If you are looking for something that’s set and forget I would definitely give it a try.
If you want to tinker with it and figure out how Linux works I would probably try arch or something
You won’t just replace Windows with Linux. You’ll transition.
It takes some time, but it’s not that hard and it pays in the end.
I’d likely update it a few times a year, knowing me.
I think this needs to be clarified… I dont know anything that isn’t going to be getting security updates fairly regularly, which you’re going to want if its hooked up to the internet. Do you mean you don’t want to have to reboot often? Because that’s more doable, but bazzite is a bad choice for that, it can’t apply an update unless it reboots because of the immutable file system. Also cachyos is arch based so you’d likely be wanting to run updates around weekly.
I’ve heard that Bazzite can be a little more locked down
No this is generally put out there by people that don’t understand the workflow of an atomic distro. Yes the file system directories are generally readonly. You can still layer packages, or use flatpaks and sysexts to add software or install things in a container. There is nothing much that can’t be achieved in an atomic/immutable distro, its just a different workflow. If you want something unbreakable an atomic distro is the way to go
Check out Nobara. It is based on Fedora, comes out of the box with everything Bazzite has for gaming (Steam, gamepad/joystick support, etc…) but is not an immutable distro and not as heavily locked down.
I’ve been a Windows systems admin professionally for 20+ years and although I’ve managed a few Linux systems professionally, at home I’ve mainly used Debian for tinkering, running Docker, and dedicated servers for me and my friends. My personal PCs have always been Windows based.
I really wanted to use a Debian based distro, because its what I have most familiarity with, but there just isn’t one that isn’t Ubuntu based or updated frequently enough for the gaming I like to do. I’m sticking to Deb for my servers. Fedora is just as mature and reliable, and gives me the degree of control I want over system config without being cumbersome. I have some pretty specific network config and software requirements that necessitated some tinkering in /etc and .conf files that Bazzite was not going to let me do.
I also wanted a PC that just worked, minimal tinkering. I do not want to spend my gaming time trying to troubleshoot obscure Linux issues. My personal PC use is like 80% gaming. I have a good virtual infra home lab setup. A Synology NAS that holds my music/movies/file archives.
Nobara setup was a snap. Ditto installing Discord. Both webcam and headset were auto detected. I installed a few flatpak apps including VLC, Putty, Firefox (preferred browser). VLC was able to stream video/audio from my NAS without any additional changes.
Fired up Steam, installed Elite Dangerous, plugged in a T16000 HOTAS joystick and done. Was playing that same night. Ditto any games using my Xbone gamepad.
The only fishing I have had to do online for remedies and workarounds have been related to some small 3rd party apps I use to support games like Elite Dangerous. Most additional software I’ve installed via Flatpak, which is amazing. However, by design flatpak apps run in sandboxed environments and are not given full/free access to the file system. (this is a great thing). I’ve added Flatseal to give me a GUI for modifying flatpak app permissions when needed. (Discord, for example, needed additional permissions to allow me to copy/paste screenshots/pics into chat)
I created a separate partition for installed games. Most guides offering help on installed games assume games/apps are installed or looking in your /home folder, but for me it was on a separate volume, which required permissions tweaking or just looking in a different path.
I cut over during the holiday break. Overall, the transition has been seamless and painless.
Oh interesting. I’ve been live booting PikaOS so far just to see how difficult it is to get certain things up and running and… I don’t know if it’s the OS or if it’s the fact that its live image, but getting certain things up and running so bar has been a pain. Docker didn’t install easily (CLI was a pain compared to double clicking the .deb downloaded from Dockers website), and I couldn’t get Jellyfin to HW transcode through docker, so I installed that through Pika’s software discovery thing. Xbone controller wouldn’t connect (but that could be a failed BT module on the mobo. I remember having issues with it on windows)… So yea… Off to a great start lol
If Bazzite is going to give even more problems then it sounds like I should stay away from it. The computer will mostly be doing server work, which it sounds like Debian might be the way to go?
The gaming aspect isn’t going to be the latest and greatest games. Most couch co-op type games. My main PC is still on win10 for that stuff.
Does booting from a live USB restrict me more so than just commiting to an install on the boot drive? Is Ventoy limiting me? That’s how I’ve been booting so far, but am about to flash to the USB to start the troubleshooting process
I don’t think Ventoy would be the limiter there. It sounds to me like its the live distro version. Those can be restricted to running a few apps and being used to install the full version. Often things like hotplug devices don’t work too well with live distros.
If the system is primarily going to be a server, I’d recommend Debian, but I’m definitely biased. It’s stable, well supported, and documented. I normally install it with the Cinnamon desktop (just in case) and ssh server, and nothing else, then add what I need manually as I go. As a lot of folks in the comments mentioned, the biggest issue with the “stable” distros is that they stay stable by long delaying integrating new modules and drivers. Fantastic for a server, not so great for gaming rigs that are going to need the latest software, fixes, and developments.
My issue with Bazzite, even on a rig that was going to be primarily for gaming was anything else I wanted to do that was not just gaming. You can’t install software from .rpm. I tried making some changes to .conf files via command line (using sudo and root) and was denied, so I just noped my way to Nobara. I’m still recommending Bazzite to a friend who also mostly games on his PC. He’s not nearly as techie, doesn’t have a complicated home network, and just needs something that will plug and play and let him game. And from my perspective as the person he’ll call if something doesn’t work, if it prevents him from breaking things, EVEN BETTER. xD
Given your requirements, absolutely I’d also recommend against Bazzite and CachyOS, at least today.
Debian stable. Enable security updates by
unattended-upgradesand you can basically go over a year without manually updating (aside from the occasional reboot to activate the newer kernel).Then if you’re not already into containers, I propose learning about rootless Podman and using that to run your arr stack services. For example using docker-compose and/or systemd services.
If you don’t mind going a little bit more of the beaten track, then I also encourage you to check out Alpine Linux. Their wiki explains how to install it with a read-only root filesystem which it sounds like you’d like. But since it’s early and a commitment, maybe save this adventure for later.
Arch has a like 10x more update churn than Debian or sth and is not stable in the same sense.
For a more hands-on system, or something offline, Arch is still great.
Do you know about piping? It changed everything for me back then. People do the weirdest complicated things that are mostly a few piped commands. One command if you master awk 🤣 but let’s not go there.
Only piping I’ve heard of is done in the bedroom 🤣
What’s your version of it?? Lol
I believe it’s when bakers make patterns on top of pastries and cakes with icing
Hehe, but seriously then you’re yet missing the most awesome thing.
Just make a partition and install a distro: Try Bazzite(fedora); don’t like it? Try Garuda(arch).
I just use fedora and install the stuff myself, which is probably similar to how Windows works since there’s no “windows with steam and Nvidia drivers”
Don’t use Debian on the gaming PC(or any “stable” or “lts” distro), everything will be out of date and Gaming on Linux typically needs the latest packages.
The big thing you probably will care about is the Desktop Environment; which is what you’ll actually see when using the PC. There’s Gnome, KDE and more, each distro will typically let you use pic which one to use.
I have neither used Bazzite nor CachyOS. You’re sure you don’t want to try Linux Mint? It’s extremely stable Linux for your grandma. Seriously, my dad’s laptops run Mint, and have for the last 5-6 years. When he gets a new laptop, I go over and install Mint for him (and he doesn’t know what Linux even means, he keeps calling LibreOffice “linux”). He asks me for help with his Windows desktop all the time (which he needs for certain software), but linux “just works” (his words). My son’s gaming computer and our house TV (which is an oldish Dell All-In-One that both my son and my wife need to be able to use) also run Mint.
For me, work computers that need to be stable run Mint, work computers that need to be secure run Qubes and servers run Debian.
I second this; Mint is great if you want to set up once and get going.
seconding this, my gf struggles with tech, i put her laptop on linux mint and shes had a much easier time using it
My 70 + year old mother uses pop OS and has a degoogled phone that she uses signal to measage. Switching cost is a lie… the tech bros always switching things up so much anyways… Whats is stable and reliable anyways. This world is a shit storm of corpo tech bro nonsense. meh
Linux mint is pretty chill! Debian I think? Its got all the bells and whistles. When I set it up for the first time it kinda reminded me of windows. I also like redshift which does not work on pop OS which I use now as a daily driver.
No, Mint is Ubuntu.
LMDE is Debian.
Ubuntu is also Debian under the hood.
Yes, but it’s more up-to-date and Ubuntu has Canonical tentacles all over it.
That last bit is why I run LMDE. Ubuntu was great for a while (started using it 2010-ish), but I don’t like the direction Canonical is going these days.
Most (all?) of the bad Canonical stuff is removed in Linux Mint. It’s the reason for its existence.
You do get the good stuff though like Ubuntu’s better hardware support and PPAs etc that Debian doesn’t have.
I know.
I was just replying that Ubuntu and Debian are different.
Have you found an alternative way to use your house TV with anything other than mouse and keyboard? (Like a remote or something?)
There are remotes for PC. I have one right now, and they are pretty cheap in Amazon. One nice thing is that they can also do limited control of the TV (through IR, obv).
One thing to keep in mind is that most identity not all of these remotes have a gyro mouse.
I haven’t tried.
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Okay, aside from all the distro advice, I have some practical install advice.
There’s a program called Ventoy. At ventoy.net
Ventoy is an open source tool to create bootable USB drive for ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files. With Ventoy, you don’t need to format the disk over and over, you just need to copy the ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files to the USB drive and boot them directly. You can copy many files at a time and Ventoy will give you a boot menu to select them
Most distros these days have a live CD option, meaning you can run the distro and test how it feels without actually committing to an install.
So, take all the distro options here and throw them all on a thumb drive with ventoy installed, then you can simply boot into each one.
Now, my personal fav distro is called Garuda. It excells at gaming, and can do everything you want, but will put a red blinking icon in the task bar if you don’t update every week or so.
Garuda is Arch based.
I don’t believe Ventoy is safe. Too much dodgy stuff.
https://feddit.online/post/605807#post_replies
Isn’t it a hacky one person foss project? of course the thing is gonna be dodgy, I’m neither shocked nor worried about it.
Ventoy is great. I have a dedicated 128GB flash drive with a variety of ISOs, including various live and full-install Linux distros, Windows (LTSC only + MAS scripts), and diagnostics (Hirens, memtest86, etc).
Incredibly handy to have on-hand.
Good advise, but 0/10; you forgot your ‘btw’ after mentioning arch :p
Eh, Garuda has its own repositories and packages, so it’s Arch, but not Arch Arch if that makes sense.
I know what ya meant, just pulling your leg.
Its like how i use linux mint. Its ubuntu, technically, but has its own repos
I don’t mind tinkering, but for this PC, stability is key
I don’t want an upkeep heavy OS
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend a rolling release distro like cachy then lol. Debian or it’s derivatives would be better for something low maintenance that you don’t need to update frequently
I also wouldn’t recommend bazzite, just cause im not a fan of immutable distros as they feel too locked down for me, but I’ve never attempted to set up a jellyfin on one, so someone else with more experience would provide a more concrete answer for your purposes there
Yea, I want something stable and an arch based distro don’t really go together.
One of the Debian family is best for that.
Arch based distros can be very stable these days.
People forget that SteamOS on the Steam Deck is Arch based.
Arch can be very stable, and if you pin linux you shouldn’t have to reboot very often… but it’s still a rolling release, and þe longer you go between updates þe greater þe chances you’ll encounter an issue.
Twice a year, þough… I have pure Arch machines I update þat infrequently. Dealing wiþ
.pacnewfiles is always a major endeavor, and archnews can be a slog, but while I wouldn’t advocate updating once a year, twice? Doable. Quarterly? Absolutely. Every oþer monþ? Þat’s about how frequently I upgrade my desktop, usually because I want a new version of someþing and þe dependency cascade makes an-Syueasier.Life got a lot better when I pinned my kernel, þough. Þe reboots were þe most annoying part.
what’s the point of using arch if you won’t be going any heavy tinkering or using bleeding edge shit? debian is the objectively correct choice here
If they’re going to be using docker and gaming, they probably do want to be tinkering though while so having stability.
Hence, Arch. That’s why Valve went with it too.
If they won’t be doing gaming stuff though, then yeah Debian is the better choice.
Debian. It’s rock solid. You don’t need anything flashy or new fangled if you’re just building a home server.
I wouldn’t suggest bazzite or cachyos for a newbie.
Bazzite is good for gaming and general computing. If you want to run servers or tinker with the OS at all it becomes annoying and impractical.
Fedora is stable, with modern packages, and is what Bazzite is based off of. I’d probably recommend that.
Debian is rock-solid stable, but lacks newer packages. It’s great for a server, not so great for gaming and general computing.
Debian is rock-solid stable, but lacks newer packages. It’s great for a server, not so great for […] general computing.
What the fuck??? I’ve been daily driving Debian for years now on my personal laptops, desktop, mini PC, and mutliple servers. I’ve found and reported Linux kernel vulnerabilities on my trusty Debian systems.
What do you mean it’s not so great for general computing? What can’t you do with Debian computing-wise that you can do with other distros? The only issues I’ve ever had was with some LaTeX packages being older versions. You just get that from CTAN and install that manually.
This is such a ridiculous comment. What do you do on a server that’s not general computing? You’re doing a subset of general computing??? How does a fucking distro actively prevent you from doing general computing???
Packages are frequently outdated. Older packages can be difficult for new users who want a computer to “just work”. It’s fine for general computing, but not great.
Also fuck off with this attitude man. I’m not attacking you, learn how to speak to people.
Also fuck off with this attitude man. I’m not attacking you, learn how to speak to people.
Sorry. I get quite triggered when people add pseudo-labels to distributions, mainly Debian being outdated. Looking back, I was quite harsh and I apologize.
However, you’re actively spreading the false narrative by saying Debian’s not good for “general computing” - this is what triggers me. A distribution is nothing but its package manager and some defaults. Some have different defaults and package managers.
Older packages can be difficult for new users who want a computer to “just work”.
The only place this makes a difference is with the latest hardware which OP does not have. I have more recent hardware than OP and Debian 13 + KDE Plasma 6 works out of the box.
It’s fine for general computing, but not great.
Again, I really hate this sentence. I will tone down the rudeness this time in explaining why. I have daily-driven Debian for years with AMD + Intel CPUs, Nvidia GPUs (1070, 3060) with use cases ranging wildly through the years. I cannot fathom what kind of general computing cannot work. If you say specialized computing, I would still disagree as there are always ways to make things work.
Just off the top of my head where things are iffy with Debian: bat cannot be installed via a package manager, but not on most distros anyway. There’s a deb package though which works. Similar with dust, although more distros have it in their package manager.
Debian, like you said, is rock-solid stable. In my many years of developing code, university courses, daily work (research), maintaining servers with wildly different usages, Debian’s “outdated” packages have only let me down once and that was with a LaTeX package which could be installed via ctan anyway.
If you game, Bazzite with KDE is damn near perfect. I’ve been running it for a year and never had a problem making it do what I want it to do.
I don’t want an upkeep heavy OS.
Bazzite is immutable, updates are easy and not bothersome, and if for any reason one ever breaks something, a single command (sudo rpm-ostree rollback), you go back to the previous state, easy peasy.













