He doesn’t tend to at all, ever mention anything like right or wrong, morals, stuff like that. He talks about geopolitics, negotiation power, what states and militaries are capable or doing or what they’re likely to do. I can’t recall him ever saying any opinion about who’s morally right or wrong. So I don’t see how what you said could possibly be, but if it did, please share a link and a timestamp.
At the start, 0 - 57 sec, no mention of the repeated history of Israel deliberately sabatoging the ceasefire process for the entire first two years of the genocide. Also no mention of Gaza being a captive civilian population, that’s been under Israeli Apartheid for over 70 years.
At 3:07 to 4:30, he states that one of Israel’s primary objective is the retrieve all the hostages and that if Hamas wanted to end the war, they would need to return them all as a prerequisite.
No mention that Israel had repeated stated that eradicating Hamas took priority over the hostages, nor that Hamas has been willing to release all the hostages and give up governance of Gaza to a technocratic Council of all Palestinian factions since 2023.
He also states that Israel needed to take enough militants prisoner in order to level the playing field for the ceasefire. Which completely ignores one of the major reason for the Oct 7th operation, to release the thousands to tens of thousands of Palestinian prisoners (most of which were taken without evidence or trial, including hundreds of children, and systematically tortured while captive). The scales were already tilted far in Israel’s favor when it comes to hostages, yet it’s framed as necessary to even out the playing field for the ceasefire.
Again at 4:40, again he falsely states that the ceasefire would leave control of Gaza to Hamas, ignoring the technocratic committee. Also ignoring the actual Israeli war goal, the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza for settler colonialist expansion.
At 7:17 he states that preventing normalization between SA and Israel is a main factor. Which while it is a factor, still ignores that ending the Apartheid and Occupation is the main factor.
At 7:40 he frames the US as a third party, which is completely ridiculous by all accounts.
At 8:05 he calls the Camp Davis Accords “peace in the middle east” which is also wrong, it was counter Insurgency and a continuation of Apartheid.
He doesn’t tend to at all, ever mention anything like right or wrong, morals, stuff like that
Genocide is a systematic form of destruction. It’sconcerning, at the least, that he fails to mention both that it is a genocide nor how exactly Israel has mechanized that destruction. Such as targets, how they determine targets, or really any nature of their military operations. He also omits the US’ financial incentive of Weapon Manufacturer sales to delaying a ceasefire, as well as the ideological component of Zionism and geopolitical component of instability in the region.
Sorry, I don’t feel like slipping into a huge argument. Most of what you said, I don’t feel is relevant criticism for the video, it basically amounts to “he didn’t say the things that I wanted him to say to confirm my opinions”.
But I don’t want to spend hours dealing with your gish gallop so you win.
If you can’t recognize the difference between being pro-palestinian and pro-hamas, then you’re not worth having a serious discussion with.
By the way, the Israeli government would like nothing more than for the world to view the two things as the same. It’s the same as conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
And if you think it’s not a real problem and only exists in the imagination, then you should read more about some of the “activist” groups in the UK.
Second of all, I support all aspects of Palestinian resistance unconditionally. That includes Hamas, as well as the numerous other resistance factions within both Gaza and the West Bank.
Third, there’s a reason that all the other resistance groups, including the communist PFLP and the anarchist Fauda, have cooperated and coordinated with Hamas and one another both in military operations and peace negotiations. Because for all of them a unified front for liberation surpasses any ideological differences. Picking and choosing which ones you do or don’t support while you’re sitting comfortably at home, completely removed from the genocide, is completely ridiculous. Not to mention that Hamas is more than just the Al Qassam brigades, every department in Gaza from healthcare to education to agriculture is also Hamas.
It’s the same as conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
No it’s absolutely fucking not. That shows how little you know or care. Zionism is a fascist ideology. Israel intentionally conflates the two to defend it’s fascist actions at the expense of Jewish people globally.
Hamas is conservative, as many other anti-colonial resistance have been. It is a reaction against colonialism. Fanon discusses the nature of this at length, it does not de-legitimize anti-colonial resistance. Denouncing their resistance for that reason is playing exactly into the hands of the colonialists. Immediate survival, such as resistance to genocide and apartheid, is the immediate concern. Progressive changes happen from within a society once there is breathing room for that societal and/or political change to take place. A society can’t breathe when under occupation or genocide. That mentality of conditionality for emancipation is exactly why Israel does Pinkwashing.
Woop, there it is. You can’t rape your way to liberty. But since you support hamas unconditionally, I suppose you disagree with me there.
I would say I support Palestinian liberation, but if you think that means I have to support hamas then I guess I can’t do that. That’s what I mean when I say you’re promoting Israel’s narrative when you say pro-Palestinian means pro-Hamas. If that’s the case, then I guess they weren’t lying when they designated hospitals and schools as military targets. In your own words, those are run by hamas.
If it were up to me, I’d say avoid civilian infrastructure. But if hamas is hiding weapons caches and command centers underneath hospitals and schools, then they’re partially responsible for the resulting destruction.
The Palestinian Authority could have made diplomatic progress towards autonomy and sovereignty, but hamas fought them for control and radicalized the youth. Now the Palestinian Authority has no power, and terrorists are indistinguishable from civilians.
But you’re not willing to criticize hamas, so you’re just gonna pout and accuse me of supporting genocide. I don’t. Israel’s response has been disproportionate beyond any reasonability. But you’re enabling their narrative when you say things like “picking and choosing which [Palestinian factions] you do or don’t support is completely ridiculous.”
I can and do reject hamas for their ideologies as well as their methodologies. That doesn’t mean I approve of Israel’s ethnic cleansing, expansion, and settler-colonialism. But when you conflate the two, you’re actually helping Israel because now anyone who doesn’t support hamas can’t support Palestine, apparently, according to you.
And there it is, a bunch of Zionist propaganda that has been repeatedly debunked. Your shitty hasbara isn’t fooling anyone, Zionist.
No, I don’t support rape, unlike those who defend Israel. Nor did I say I don’t have criticisms of Hamas, I do.
UN Statements Undercut New Israeli Report on 10/7 Sexual Violence. Your atrocity propaganda has been debunked repeatedly. Meanwhile, Israel has extensive documentation of raping Palestinians systematically, even to death, as a form of torture. As well as torturing and sexually abusing children held captive.
All your other bullshit about human shields has also already been debunked, and in fact the evidence shows Israel guilty instead. Every accusation is a confession.
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
Adi Callai has written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Can you be more specific?
He doesn’t tend to at all, ever mention anything like right or wrong, morals, stuff like that. He talks about geopolitics, negotiation power, what states and militaries are capable or doing or what they’re likely to do. I can’t recall him ever saying any opinion about who’s morally right or wrong. So I don’t see how what you said could possibly be, but if it did, please share a link and a timestamp.
Why Did the Israel-Hamas Ceasefire Take So Long?
At the start, 0 - 57 sec, no mention of the repeated history of Israel deliberately sabatoging the ceasefire process for the entire first two years of the genocide. Also no mention of Gaza being a captive civilian population, that’s been under Israeli Apartheid for over 70 years.
At 3:07 to 4:30, he states that one of Israel’s primary objective is the retrieve all the hostages and that if Hamas wanted to end the war, they would need to return them all as a prerequisite.
No mention that Israel had repeated stated that eradicating Hamas took priority over the hostages, nor that Hamas has been willing to release all the hostages and give up governance of Gaza to a technocratic Council of all Palestinian factions since 2023.
He also states that Israel needed to take enough militants prisoner in order to level the playing field for the ceasefire. Which completely ignores one of the major reason for the Oct 7th operation, to release the thousands to tens of thousands of Palestinian prisoners (most of which were taken without evidence or trial, including hundreds of children, and systematically tortured while captive). The scales were already tilted far in Israel’s favor when it comes to hostages, yet it’s framed as necessary to even out the playing field for the ceasefire.
Again at 4:40, again he falsely states that the ceasefire would leave control of Gaza to Hamas, ignoring the technocratic committee. Also ignoring the actual Israeli war goal, the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza for settler colonialist expansion.
At 7:17 he states that preventing normalization between SA and Israel is a main factor. Which while it is a factor, still ignores that ending the Apartheid and Occupation is the main factor.
At 7:40 he frames the US as a third party, which is completely ridiculous by all accounts.
At 8:05 he calls the Camp Davis Accords “peace in the middle east” which is also wrong, it was counter Insurgency and a continuation of Apartheid.
Genocide is a systematic form of destruction. It’sconcerning, at the least, that he fails to mention both that it is a genocide nor how exactly Israel has mechanized that destruction. Such as targets, how they determine targets, or really any nature of their military operations. He also omits the US’ financial incentive of Weapon Manufacturer sales to delaying a ceasefire, as well as the ideological component of Zionism and geopolitical component of instability in the region.
Sorry, I don’t feel like slipping into a huge argument. Most of what you said, I don’t feel is relevant criticism for the video, it basically amounts to “he didn’t say the things that I wanted him to say to confirm my opinions”.
But I don’t want to spend hours dealing with your gish gallop so you win.
Anyone who doesn’t blow hamas at every chance they get is supporting genocide, according to some people.
The dude’s username has “stalin” in it, I don’t think they’re capable of formulating a good faith argument.
Is that what you reduce anti-colonial resistance to?
You don’t have to blow hamas in order to take an anti-colonial stance, and if you think otherwise then you’re proving my point.
If you actually flesh out your point, maybe we can have an genuine discussion.
If you can’t recognize the difference between being pro-palestinian and pro-hamas, then you’re not worth having a serious discussion with.
By the way, the Israeli government would like nothing more than for the world to view the two things as the same. It’s the same as conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism.
And if you think it’s not a real problem and only exists in the imagination, then you should read more about some of the “activist” groups in the UK.
First of all, I didn’t even mention Hamas.
Second of all, I support all aspects of Palestinian resistance unconditionally. That includes Hamas, as well as the numerous other resistance factions within both Gaza and the West Bank.
Third, there’s a reason that all the other resistance groups, including the communist PFLP and the anarchist Fauda, have cooperated and coordinated with Hamas and one another both in military operations and peace negotiations. Because for all of them a unified front for liberation surpasses any ideological differences. Picking and choosing which ones you do or don’t support while you’re sitting comfortably at home, completely removed from the genocide, is completely ridiculous. Not to mention that Hamas is more than just the Al Qassam brigades, every department in Gaza from healthcare to education to agriculture is also Hamas.
No it’s absolutely fucking not. That shows how little you know or care. Zionism is a fascist ideology. Israel intentionally conflates the two to defend it’s fascist actions at the expense of Jewish people globally.
Hamas is conservative, as many other anti-colonial resistance have been. It is a reaction against colonialism. Fanon discusses the nature of this at length, it does not de-legitimize anti-colonial resistance. Denouncing their resistance for that reason is playing exactly into the hands of the colonialists. Immediate survival, such as resistance to genocide and apartheid, is the immediate concern. Progressive changes happen from within a society once there is breathing room for that societal and/or political change to take place. A society can’t breathe when under occupation or genocide. That mentality of conditionality for emancipation is exactly why Israel does Pinkwashing.
Woop, there it is. You can’t rape your way to liberty. But since you support hamas unconditionally, I suppose you disagree with me there.
I would say I support Palestinian liberation, but if you think that means I have to support hamas then I guess I can’t do that. That’s what I mean when I say you’re promoting Israel’s narrative when you say pro-Palestinian means pro-Hamas. If that’s the case, then I guess they weren’t lying when they designated hospitals and schools as military targets. In your own words, those are run by hamas.
If it were up to me, I’d say avoid civilian infrastructure. But if hamas is hiding weapons caches and command centers underneath hospitals and schools, then they’re partially responsible for the resulting destruction.
The Palestinian Authority could have made diplomatic progress towards autonomy and sovereignty, but hamas fought them for control and radicalized the youth. Now the Palestinian Authority has no power, and terrorists are indistinguishable from civilians.
But you’re not willing to criticize hamas, so you’re just gonna pout and accuse me of supporting genocide. I don’t. Israel’s response has been disproportionate beyond any reasonability. But you’re enabling their narrative when you say things like “picking and choosing which [Palestinian factions] you do or don’t support is completely ridiculous.”
I can and do reject hamas for their ideologies as well as their methodologies. That doesn’t mean I approve of Israel’s ethnic cleansing, expansion, and settler-colonialism. But when you conflate the two, you’re actually helping Israel because now anyone who doesn’t support hamas can’t support Palestine, apparently, according to you.
And there it is, a bunch of Zionist propaganda that has been repeatedly debunked. Your shitty hasbara isn’t fooling anyone, Zionist.
No, I don’t support rape, unlike those who defend Israel. Nor did I say I don’t have criticisms of Hamas, I do.
UN Statements Undercut New Israeli Report on 10/7 Sexual Violence. Your atrocity propaganda has been debunked repeatedly. Meanwhile, Israel has extensive documentation of raping Palestinians systematically, even to death, as a form of torture. As well as torturing and sexually abusing children held captive.
See here for sources
All your other bullshit about human shields has also already been debunked, and in fact the evidence shows Israel guilty instead. Every accusation is a confession.
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
Peace Process and Solution
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Human Shields
Hamas:
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Agency Demands Full Respect for the Sanctity of Its Premises in Gaza - July 2014
HRW - Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel
Israel:
Israel/OPT: Israeli attacks targeting Hamas and other armed group fighters that killed scores of displaced civilians in Rafah should be investigated as war crimes
HRW - Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:
IDF uses Human Shields,
Including Children (2013 Report)
Palestinian children face unrelenting genocide, displacement, and systematic abuse throughout 2024
Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds 2024
Breaking The Silence - Testimonies from IDF Veterans
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Lavender
Where’s Daddy
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
Adi Callai has written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video