Most devs refuse to take on any sort of responsibility of management. The manager gets paid to deal with that for you. Want more money? Manage coders on a successful team. You’ll e miserable but at least you’ll hit 200k.
I once worked with an SVP at a huge corporation that liked to engage in “bike shedding”. This guy is like seven rungs above me on the ladder and is trying to tell me what fields each SQL table should have.
Then we got a new department director who was very good at keeping upper management distracted and off our backs. Lots of people in middle management don’t justify their own salaries but I would argue that he sure did.
Seems to me, for most successful companies, it does. Can you name a few successful companies past 50, making money, that don’t have management?
There is little to no evidence, even in academic studies, typically a pro labor progressive environment, that management is not needed beyond small projects.
You can’t, because it’s an absurdly competitive market and most engineers are happy to skip it for equal or similar pay. You get what you pay for and at the same rate you typically get someone good at management or tech not both. This people go demand 300k from later companies posting more. And they’ll get paid more than the engineers because they are harder to find.
Most devs refuse to take on any sort of responsibility of management. The manager gets paid to deal with that for you. Want more money? Manage coders on a successful team. You’ll e miserable but at least you’ll hit 200k.
That doesn’t justify their salary.
“It’s not what you know, it’s who you know”
Honestly the fact you can become a coder and get paid for it is impressive, by the historical human society average.
I once worked with an SVP at a huge corporation that liked to engage in “bike shedding”. This guy is like seven rungs above me on the ladder and is trying to tell me what fields each SQL table should have.
Then we got a new department director who was very good at keeping upper management distracted and off our backs. Lots of people in middle management don’t justify their own salaries but I would argue that he sure did.
Seems to me, for most successful companies, it does. Can you name a few successful companies past 50, making money, that don’t have management?
There is little to no evidence, even in academic studies, typically a pro labor progressive environment, that management is not needed beyond small projects.
Jesus, you’re an insufferable asshole. And one that has no idea what they’re talking about at that.
Look up the Dunning-Krueger Effect. That’s literally your post history, particularly here
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Valve. Checkmate
https://ebsedu.org/blog/boss-less-management-a-peek-into-the-flat-hierarchy-of-valve/
https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/valve-makes-almost-usd50-million-per-employee-raking-in-more-cash-per-person-than-google-amazon-or-microsoft-gaming-giants-350-employees-on-track-to-generate-usd17-billion-this-year
I didn’t say management wasn’t needed.
Okay, well you find someone competent enough to deal with the tech and get paid less than the engineers 🤣.
The rates are the rates.
I could point out that I didn’t say they should be paid less, either, but my heart isn’t in it. I hope you have a good day doing whatever that is.
Then go find them at the same rate. Do it.
You can’t, because it’s an absurdly competitive market and most engineers are happy to skip it for equal or similar pay. You get what you pay for and at the same rate you typically get someone good at management or tech not both. This people go demand 300k from later companies posting more. And they’ll get paid more than the engineers because they are harder to find.
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