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Maybe, you could buy a Motorola as well in the near future.
https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
but seriously, drop the smart phone entirely.
Blackberry could’ve made such a good comeback. What a shame.
Buying new is still screwing yourself over. Buy second hand and take advantage of all the fools thinking they have to upgrade every year.
this, especially as graphene seems to support devices outside of when google would
I’m glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it’s sad that they are the exception and not the rule.
I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.
At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.
I couldn’t do it myself. Ended up going Fairphone and Calyx instead. Just patiently waiting for Calyx to start releasing again.
I hope they’re not ending the project. They were pretty comfortably the best Graphene alternative but you’ll need security updates.
I’m on the same boat; FP4 + CalyxOS. Do you know have they (Calyx) confirmed anything about the projects future? Last I heard was in around december, and things were quite uncertain back then.
I still have my CAD $210 Google credit from Google because they throtted my Pixel, and I might let it expire because I want a Fairphone instead.
This is the way
And the only price, you’ll need to see the Google logo flash brightly every time you reboot.
I hâte this reminder too. But the constant playsyore is missing permissions is a reward. Yes stay here little software keep complaining, your owner can go fuck them self.
Gives me a jumpscare when I apply updates, not gonna lie
This is exactly what i just did. No regrets. Foss everything, no mainstream social media. I love it
The Fediverse is not perfect, but it actually blew my mind a bit how much it lowered my blood pressure to not see the constant ragebait, and the calm of not being exposed and monitored at all times. I still have Snapchat just for one person, and WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE. Other than that, I’m all in on FOSS privacy approved apps and man does it feel great.
It really goes to show no little of the abuse we suffer is inherently the Internet’s fault. Lemmy feels like the reddit I knew and loved of 15 years ago. Sure there’s some assholes I argue with but that’s the normal amount of shittieness not the turbocorpo abuse
A lot of it is hitting critical mass too. Reddit used to be tech enthusiasts and stem students the same way Fediverse is currently. Now any town idiot yahoo from the sticks will angrily yell at you on Reddit for no reason.
But yeah the algorithm is a lot stronger than it would seem.
Some are trying though. Some one tried to be a smart ass saying that us lemmyngs where cool with piratage when it is for random people but not when it is for facebook so we should be ashamed. He got his ass handed by multiple people. Good time. Not even an insult was thrown <3 it was civilized, I love you guys.
Here it’s us, real people rage-baiting you on employer time!
You guys have employers?
Ah yes, organic rage bait instead of Ai swirls fancy wine
I made the switch to Linux and Lemmy right around the same time. Once I was free of it all it was like relaxing a muscle I didn’t know had been tense for decades. Android is next… Just as soon as I figure out jellyfin…
checkout Gelato for jellyfin if you are low on disk space
do you know what to replace android with?
GrapheneOS :)
Jellyfin is the shit. Lemme know if you have questions.
Jellyfin truly is the shit. Now if only I could somehow hook it into authentik and traefik for sso without pulling all my hair out… 🤪
I got a cloudflare tunnel going. Easy peasy.
No questions in particular as of yet. Still assembling hardware. I’m going for a server built on a NAS
I strongly recommend TrueNAS Scale. It’s built on Debian, and has full docker implementation.
TrueNAS Scale’s Docker implementation is currently really mediocre - it’s implemented as an app store style experience - and deploying/managing containers via the CLI isn’t officially supported although it works fine. They do have a more generic container management implementation in beta at the moment.
This will be the hardest thing you will do in your life that you will never regret.
I love how encouraging the self hosted community is.
I also just switched to Linux! Well dual booting Windows for now but only for gaming really, and until I figure out if Ardour is good enough for me for music production. But still: Microsoft has nothing except my game saves now, no tax documents or web history, etc.
What distro did you go with?
I’m also looking into making a home server to ditch streaming services and so I dont need 250 GB of music on my. phone. Got to be able to afford the RAM though…
Mint. I’m not a “tech genius” and it was presented as an easy intro to Linux. I feel no need to distro hop, getting by just fine with my little minty penguin thank you very much!
Mint is pretty legit. Their Cinnamon desktop is looking a lot prettier these days too.
I landed on Fedora KDE because I need gaming features like VRR, and still wanted features like Secure Boot & a distro with a lot of users and documentation.
WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE
As far as you are told. There is no verification that is true.
There is no verification that is true.
But there is a nearly continuous stream of occurrences where Meta is caught lying.
It is actually verified e2ee. However, they do keep a ‘spare key’ for every single user and chat, you know, in case they need to help you, the good guys at Meta.
Can you show me where it’s verified? Did someone get to see the code?
As far as I’m aware Moxie Marlinspike made the encryption before it was acquired by Facebook. One of the founders of WhatsApp now finances Marlinspike’d Signal messenger.
In theory Meta only sees who you communicate with, but not what you communicate.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if the bastards are trying to undo the encryption if they already haven’t.)
before it was acquired by Facebook
not that it really matters, but it was a few years after the acquisition.
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They have had some third party audits. It is not totally convincing to me as being trustworthy, but I see it as more of an acceptable necessary evil. Better than Discord, Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, probably even SMS. My wife’s whole family uses just WhatsApp, and so do some businesses even in her country. Believe me though, anyone I can get on Signal, Matrix, Session, etc, I do.
There have been third party audits, but the conclusions have been that you can’t know if it’s implemented correctly or at all. Nature of closed source. Because you can’t know where the keys are.
I get the doing business in their country. That is so difficult to overcome. I will not do it. Foot down on that one, and it does make it hard. My wife’s family does the same as you mentioned. I just tell them they are literally paying for fascism. They don’t care. Or you can pick from many of the ills of Meta products (energy use, AI, misinformation, or even simply making someone a billionaire by contributing nothing to society).
Makes it hard.
I’m working on it and avoid it when I can as I mentioned. The only reason I mentioned it is that it’s one of the last vestiges of apps I don’t fully trust. I treat it like SMS or email, I don’t send anything I don’t expect could be audited by the government with the right subpoenas.
But sometimes I’m in a weird position. If I need to order food in my wife’s country, I am not going to be able to contact the restaurant without WhatsApp. Then I, as a white American who doesn’t know them, am going to explain to the delivery guy the reasons why they shouldn’t support American fascism, in their native language that I am not 100% fluent in?
It isn’t American fascism of course. It’s everywhere.
But I get it, I find myself in the same boat traveling and visiting family. It really is pervasive. So in your scenario you can’t just go pick it up yourself?
I know there are other ones though: Everything in some places works like this where they want to do a call back - deliveries, doctors appointments, services. WhatsApp has almost, if not completely, replaced the phone, so even getting a local sim doesnt help.
I simply refuse to play along. I wont do it. Somehow we seem to work it out.
Lol, story of my life. But the best part is looking at people’s faces when you say ‘I don’t have whatsapp’ 🤣
E2EE but with a caveat that they can do on device detection of unencrypted messages and flag content back to mothership
What messages would be unencrypted in this scenario if it is E2EE? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
Why use WhatsApp instead of Signal? I don’t go near WhatsApp because of Meta, so I genuinely know very little about it.
because in some countries it’s been the default means of communication for over a decade, which means a network effect.
I don’t, I use Signal whenever I can. WhatsApp is for businesses that use it, and the people who refuse to go to Signal, or can’t figure it out. Like my mother in law tried but got confused and so far have been unsuccessful troubleshooting why long distance. But I still need to talk to her.
I just did this too, except I bought a refurbished Pixel, so I paid someone else $100 for Google to fuck off lol.
From google? I got mine from second hand market
I don’t trust Google hardware
What other hardware do you trust, if any?
Only Chinese. OnePlus and Motorola. . I’m waiting on Motorola to release a device specifically for graphene
What makes Chinese hardware more trustworthy?
It’s not made by a US company. Meaning there is no insensives to add us gov backdoors or something for military or for companies like palantir.
Google is an ad company. They have insensitives to collect all the data on us.Oh yeah cause China is known for freedom and privacy.
I hate big tech too but i promise you China is no better.
I’m. I’m going to disagree. All the antihuman inventions like AI and palanter recently seems to be coming from domestic geniuses
Murena Fairphone
That still drives sales and demand for future manufactured Pixels… Google thanks you for your patronage.
Does it? I men’s yeah there are several people that upgraded and sold their old model but they could as well go for another phone
They are low priced because they expect data harvesting to happen
Agreed! The shocking part for me is how few folks are forgetting the most basic tenets of high school econ, supply and demand.
They’re aren’t 8 billion used pixels to go around, and if there were… GOOGLE WOULD BUILD MORE. It’s an ineffective boycott.
This joining gets me a lot of downvotes on Reddit, but I’m telling you, GOS acolytes are the cross-fitters of the degoogling world.
Not much longer im sure. I have no reason to believe that they will continue making it possible to un/relock the bootloader considering their push for google certified only android.
If I recall correctly grapheneOS is going to switch to Motorola for their new releases
This is what I’m afraid of too. I could see apps like fdroid and the ability to install custom roms being taken away within the next year or two. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t have a good feeling. I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If you’re not already, find a project and contribute towards it some way.
I wish Ubuntu Touch wasn’t the main player because I dont want to give Canonical money 😭 Better than Google or Microsoft though.
I assume you either mean financially or in terms of general support and word of mouth. Trust me, I wish I could be a dev so, so badly, but as interesting as code and computers are, I’m light years away from getting in there and being able to fuck with shit. I love learning about programming, but I’m not the best at actually learning it. lmao
I say, as I sit in a first level computer science class, typing this because I’m totally lost in the actual lecture.
Yes, I said “in some way” because not everyone can contribute code directly. There are other things besides money you can offer to contribute (graphic design, community/brand management, communication, general organizational tasks, forum moderation, etc) but funding is usually the simplest and most necessary.
Wdym by “you could see” as if its not whats already announced to be happening. Fdroid will not cooperate with googles app verification process which means Fdroid will stop working on all google certified devices, meaning everything other than devices with custom ROMs. NewPipe also announced they wont get google verified meaning it will stop working too.
Is the “Nothing” phone product a custom ROM? Sorry if dumb question I’m a bit out of my element.
ROM basically is just another word for operating system so its about the software not the hardware. So only devices (phones) that allow you to install your own custom operating system (like a modified version of the original android that comes with it or even a proper linux OS) will allow you to install apps not certified by google.
Most of the time people talk about custom roms they mean open source software that replaces the pre installed closed source software. Nothing phones are closed source so they are probably not on the “good” side here.
I never know what to expect from Google. They respect open source efforts to an extent, but play Calvinball with where they draw the line. In any case, Motorola will be an option soon, maybe more. And there are other custom ROMs, albeit not as thorough as Graphene. And for me? They can’t take it away now that I already did it, so I’m good for up to 7 years unless my phone breaks.
Google? Motorola https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47214645
Soon, but not yet! I needed to upgrade, can’t wait until 2027 or whenever. But hoping it’ll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.
Yeah I’m on a 2025 moto, done the best I can with shizuku but it’s trash. I’d leave it at home.
I’m about to do the same … question is without the google services is it worth a pro over even an a ?
To me it wasn’t. I don’t think The non-a Pixels can really justify their price based on the hardware itself.
I tend to just buy a used model, I’ve got the 8 with graphene and no complaints, that said I do very little with my phone these days
I’ve got an 8a which I got on sale when the 9a came out. I tend to keep my phones for 4-5 years, so this should be good for a long while, though I hope the Motorola collab produces something good. I also do little on my phone these days by design. If I could get by without owning one, I’d be thrilled.
Yeah I used to be the guy who did everything on his phone and now I just mostly use it for photos, maps and messaging and I try to be on a laptop when I can
Considering waiting to see if Motorola releases a GrapheneOs built in Razr I’d consider that. But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
They announced the big RAZR Fold and that future devices would have it at MWC, so mayhaps
But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
also this. Wasn’t moto the one helping with then-illegal wiretaps in like the 90s? I can hardly keep track anymore
If you want a Pro, go with the 8, 9 if you have to. 8 still has the 2k screen, 10 is a bastardized 1080p screen
8 still has the 2k screen, 10 is a bastardized 1080p screen
Is there really any need for a screen that small having that high of a resolution anyway?
Personally, I like to have a small font with a high density so as much info is on the screen as possible.
Also, if you like to watch Youtube or movies on your device, you’ll notice the difference in resolution.
Certainly not a Pixel 10 Pro.
If I could write my own code for the NPU that might be interesting, but they’ve got it locked up like a straight boy’s toilet paper.
I got a pro because it was heavily discounted at the time. The one thing I sort of appreciated is the display LTPO thing, which enables it to gear all the way down to 1hz to save power.
thing is kinda moot since the 9a and 10a achieve significantly better battery life than the 10 pro (10a uses the prior gen SoC which seems to have better idle power characteristics).
I’m running grapheme on a Pixel 9 Pro Fold I got used ~ quite happy with it so far :)
I’ve always wanted a fold, but couldn’t justify the price. I definitely don’t need one, but I want one. Even used on swappa they’re still a bit spendy.
I got an ‘a’ model and its been totally sufficient at a much lower price. But I guess it depends on how you plan to use it.
The a series have been great to me so far. The specs are usually more than enough for most use cases you’re gonna have for your phone, and the 9a and 10a both have better battery life than the rest of the 9 and 10 series’ respectively.
The a series is substantially cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a totally justifiable Android experience that isn’t gonna be much different than the other models for most people.
HOWEVER, I will say that if you plan on running a lot of apps that need to operate in the background or be constantly on, especially if you play games at the same time on your phone sometimes, the RAM could be too low for your liking and might occasionally lead to an app’s background process freezing for a bit. (e.g. a timer might freeze if the app isn’t actively open)
The only advantage of the non-a models is they use a potentially more durable battery that is less prone to pillowing.
Not really, but I got one anyway because I need the storage. I wish I would have gone all the way and got a TB but I couldn’t buy that one in cash in store so I didn’t.
It’s why I made sure to get my newest phone used, but that comes with the risk of getting a Verizon model (in the US) which can’t be bootloader unlocked. Had to return the first one I got off eBay for that reason, and the second one I made sure to ask the seller where they initially got it from.
It’s wild to me that that’s legal here. Devices should have to be carrier agnostic.
capitalism babyyyyy
Lmao this is perfect
