Who praises Russia? I see endless accusations of this, but its always someone misunderstanding opposition to the US as praise for each of it’s enemies.
Does your instance federate with lemmy.ml and lemmy.grad? You get banned on those instances for doing anything except simp for Russia. Majority of the users there defend all of russia’s actions.
Yes. Are you confusing defending Russia’s actions with having more nuance than attributing all of Russian’s actions to Russians being mustache-twirling villains who do evil for its own sake?
You can solve this confusion by just showing me what you’re talking about. It should be trivial if its as common as you say.
We’re not talking about people praising Russian cuisine, art, and literature. We’re talking about tankies taking Russia’s side on the invasion of Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda about the war being NATO’s fault and Ukrainians being Nazis.
The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue. It’d be great if Russia would just stop, but as an American it’s more sensible to oppose my own government’s support.
Ukrainians being Nazis
There are a shitton of nazis in Ukraine tho, there’s also a bunch in Russia.
praising Russian cuisine
I’ve tried Russian cuisine, its not great. Who is praising it? Swedes?
The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue.
And if a woman doesn’t want to be raped, that’s easily solved by her simply not having the sex be involuntary. Makes perfect sense.
WW2 would also have been over way sooner if everyone had just surrendered to the Germans and Japanese. I wonder why those fools didn’t just heed your wisdom.
Sure I can. I can call you a bot or a clanker. I can claim to be black, gay, or from Florida. People need to stop accepting claims made on the internet.
These are all relatively easy things to verify if anyone has a lengthy post history. You think someone’s an unlabeled bot? Show an admin evidence and they’ll be nuked.
I don’t know if I’d go that far. It’s one of the easiest ways to identify troll behavior. Sure going through and analyzing every post is insane, but being able to click on someone’s history and see that oh they say stupid stuff for reactions regularly is pretty helpful. I’d also argue that it’s helpful when people are making intellectually dishonest arguments when they have ulterior motives. Racist dog whistles for instance, when someone makes an argument that’s a pretty obvious dog whistle and then claims they’re just asking questions the Post history can sometimes help cut through that nonsense.
Honestly I think having an LLM that makes it easy to automatically label users as “tankie”, “maga”, “troll”, would make social media much nicer. I would avoid making the first response to a user who is known for their stupid arguments.
On the flip side, having a “this user cites their sources” tag would also be awesome.
By using and testing it, obviously. It can’t magically develop a bias later on.
Everyone has a different definition of what unbiased means, so this would not be a “one size fits all” kind of thing. You would simply use a model that you personally deem good enough.
Not obvious. You’re right, there is no magic in this technology, and you clearly don’t understand how it works.
There is not a single LLM currently available that is able to consistently provide a correct or workable solution when faced with a semi complex word problem that’s able to be contained in one paragraph. They may nail it on occasion but they cannot do it consistently. The “problem” of figuring out if someone is a bit eccentric, has poor social skills, is actively trolling, only trolls sometimes, or any combination of the above, is orders of magnitude higher than that. (edit:) To say an LLM is capable of that kind of logical determination is completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
I disagree, parsing through buckets of text (not one paragraph, a user’s full comment history) is literally the only thing LLMs ARE good at. This is not a logic problem, nor is it something that requires 100% accuracy.
It doesn’t matter if someone is just weird or malicious, I don’t necessarily want to engage in dialog with someone who is unlikely to respect my time or words.
That might be the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life.
As with all people who are apparently experiencing AI psychosis I highly suggest you just learn to do things for yourself. You can make your own tags based on your own observations and experiences.
Yes but I do not have the time to read through everyone’s comment history. This would easily scale out to every comment that pops up on your feed BEFORE you waste time on it.
If there is exactly one thing AI is good at, it’s text classification. Don’t let your (perfectly reasonable) disillusionment with all the other uses of AI make you think that’s it’s a completely useless tool.
Hell, you probably don’t even need an LLM for this, there are lots of AI text classifier algorithms available.
I think a cool solution would be to aggregate all of the tags that each user has received from other users and if there are frequent enough overlaps, a suggested tag might show up next to their name.
Of course, that would require user tags to be logged, which is not currently the case, afaik. It’s also not foolproof, because I’ve got at least one user tagged as “belligerent and stupid,” which, while probably helpful for others, is not likely to come up in other users’ tags. Most of my tags are probably pretty common though: troll, occasional troll, thoughtful, insightful, etc.
And finally, it might be susceptible to brigading or worse, if someone decides to make a bunch of accounts to tag LGBTQ users or something. Using the same federation rules as in other scenarios, where users or instances can be blocked or defederated at the instance level would help that, but I don’t know if it’s possible.
They just wasted their time deliberating the opinion of someone who drinks piss instead of having confidence in their own abilities all to “win” an internet debate. That’s not winning. At best they both lose
I look to see if they are a troll depending on what they wrote. If someone’s life boils down to the need to win something in internet comments, they can have it. They got bigger problems to contend with even if they don’t see it yet.
There are accounts that exclusively downvote random comments. Not controversial comments, random ones. I have no idea what the person running the bot gets out of it.
Nah, post history is a great way to adapt to someone’s style and beat them…
Obviously the direct “well hurrdurr your post history has this and that, argument invalid” approach is idiotic, but you can use the post history to point out fallacies (say, if someone is more lenient about an issue just because the politics of the person/people involved), but also to prepare what kind of counter-argument they might bring so you can slap back immediately.
See, most debates that are good, are good because of the right comebacks, counter-arguments, and the wit being used. But a good majority of those aren’t thought up on the spot! No, debates are 95% about prep, and one of the most important factors is who you’re debating. Their personality can be an incredibly useful tool against them, because with the right words/phrases you can manipulate their reactions - while essentially saying the same thing. You prepare to a debate by guessing how your opponent will react, and the more you know about their personality (post history), the better you can prepare.
So yeah, post history can be super useful if you know how to use it. And it’s most useful when the others - the person in question included - don’t realise that you’re using the post history.
The second someone wastes their time in your post history you’ve already won
I would argue that the second you get into an argument online with strangers you’ve already lost
Wait…
Fuck.
This is the real answer
Sometimes you see a wild political take on Lemmy and you open their profile and see them praising Russia and China.
Sometimes? Often, lol.
Pretty sure some bingo cards have even been made.
/thread
Oh that? That’s just .ml
Whats wrong with chinese food? Is it not suculant and delicious?
Ooh, that’s a nice headlock, sir
You know your judo well.
You don’t even need to open their history – you just look at their instance. I love Lemmy.
I call it the tanky check.
Who praises Russia? I see endless accusations of this, but its always someone misunderstanding opposition to the US as praise for each of it’s enemies.
Does your instance federate with lemmy.ml and lemmy.grad? You get banned on those instances for doing anything except simp for Russia. Majority of the users there defend all of russia’s actions.
See that’s where I’m a step ahead, I’ve already blocked those instances
Yes. Are you confusing defending Russia’s actions with having more nuance than attributing all of Russian’s actions to Russians being mustache-twirling villains who do evil for its own sake?
You can solve this confusion by just showing me what you’re talking about. It should be trivial if its as common as you say.
We’re not talking about people praising Russian cuisine, art, and literature. We’re talking about tankies taking Russia’s side on the invasion of Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda about the war being NATO’s fault and Ukrainians being Nazis.
The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue. It’d be great if Russia would just stop, but as an American it’s more sensible to oppose my own government’s support.
There are a shitton of nazis in Ukraine tho, there’s also a bunch in Russia.
I’ve tried Russian cuisine, its not great. Who is praising it? Swedes?
And if a woman doesn’t want to be raped, that’s easily solved by her simply not having the sex be involuntary. Makes perfect sense.
WW2 would also have been over way sooner if everyone had just surrendered to the Germans and Japanese. I wonder why those fools didn’t just heed your wisdom.
Governments aren’t people, sending more people to die for nationalism is not comparable to submitting to rape what the actual fuck?
This is a lot closer to WWI than WWII.
I’m constantly shocked how much vitriol “war is bad and we should stop it as quickly as possible” dredges up.
Fuck you
And this is how you argue with tankies
No these guys specifically praise Putin as a worthy succesor to Stalin’s legacy
No they don’t lmao what?
Username identifies you as Russian. Further arguments are guaranteed to be bad faith time-wasters.
You can’t just call everyone you disagree with Russian lmao.
Sure I can. I can call you a bot or a clanker. I can claim to be black, gay, or from Florida. People need to stop accepting claims made on the internet.
These are all relatively easy things to verify if anyone has a lengthy post history. You think someone’s an unlabeled bot? Show an admin evidence and they’ll be nuked.
Where? I lived in Juipiter for a few months.
I don’t know if I’d go that far. It’s one of the easiest ways to identify troll behavior. Sure going through and analyzing every post is insane, but being able to click on someone’s history and see that oh they say stupid stuff for reactions regularly is pretty helpful. I’d also argue that it’s helpful when people are making intellectually dishonest arguments when they have ulterior motives. Racist dog whistles for instance, when someone makes an argument that’s a pretty obvious dog whistle and then claims they’re just asking questions the Post history can sometimes help cut through that nonsense.
Honestly I think having an LLM that makes it easy to automatically label users as “tankie”, “maga”, “troll”, would make social media much nicer. I would avoid making the first response to a user who is known for their stupid arguments.
On the flip side, having a “this user cites their sources” tag would also be awesome.
Yeah but how would you trust that the LLM isn’t biased, or the company that licenses and puts it in a browser extension isn’t either? I don’t know.
I’m asking because I like the idea, it’s a good one.
Because classification tasks like this do not require frontier models, they could easily be run on a cpu locally with publicly available models.
That… doesn’t answer the question. How do you assert that the base model you download and run doesn’t have a bias one way or the other?
By using and testing it, obviously. It can’t magically develop a bias later on.
Everyone has a different definition of what unbiased means, so this would not be a “one size fits all” kind of thing. You would simply use a model that you personally deem good enough.
Not obvious. You’re right, there is no magic in this technology, and you clearly don’t understand how it works.
There is not a single LLM currently available that is able to consistently provide a correct or workable solution when faced with a semi complex word problem that’s able to be contained in one paragraph. They may nail it on occasion but they cannot do it consistently. The “problem” of figuring out if someone is a bit eccentric, has poor social skills, is actively trolling, only trolls sometimes, or any combination of the above, is orders of magnitude higher than that. (edit:) To say an LLM is capable of that kind of logical determination is completely ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
I disagree, parsing through buckets of text (not one paragraph, a user’s full comment history) is literally the only thing LLMs ARE good at. This is not a logic problem, nor is it something that requires 100% accuracy.
It doesn’t matter if someone is just weird or malicious, I don’t necessarily want to engage in dialog with someone who is unlikely to respect my time or words.
That might be the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life.
As with all people who are apparently experiencing AI psychosis I highly suggest you just learn to do things for yourself. You can make your own tags based on your own observations and experiences.
Yes but I do not have the time to read through everyone’s comment history. This would easily scale out to every comment that pops up on your feed BEFORE you waste time on it.
If there is exactly one thing AI is good at, it’s text classification. Don’t let your (perfectly reasonable) disillusionment with all the other uses of AI make you think that’s it’s a completely useless tool.
Hell, you probably don’t even need an LLM for this, there are lots of AI text classifier algorithms available.
Yes you’re right that’s certainly does sound like a reason why we shouldn’t have any more clean water. Totally worth it.
Running LLMs locally does not require water cooling. Not sure what you’re talking about.
I thought it was a good idea
I think a cool solution would be to aggregate all of the tags that each user has received from other users and if there are frequent enough overlaps, a suggested tag might show up next to their name.
Of course, that would require user tags to be logged, which is not currently the case, afaik. It’s also not foolproof, because I’ve got at least one user tagged as “belligerent and stupid,” which, while probably helpful for others, is not likely to come up in other users’ tags. Most of my tags are probably pretty common though: troll, occasional troll, thoughtful, insightful, etc.
And finally, it might be susceptible to brigading or worse, if someone decides to make a bunch of accounts to tag LGBTQ users or something. Using the same federation rules as in other scenarios, where users or instances can be blocked or defederated at the instance level would help that, but I don’t know if it’s possible.
Nah bro, I remember that post where some guy was criticizing OP’s cooking, so OP checks that dude’s post history and finds how he drinks his own piss.
I’m pretty sure OP won that argument by just mentioning that
They just wasted their time deliberating the opinion of someone who drinks piss instead of having confidence in their own abilities all to “win” an internet debate. That’s not winning. At best they both lose
I look to see if they are a troll depending on what they wrote. If someone’s life boils down to the need to win something in internet comments, they can have it. They got bigger problems to contend with even if they don’t see it yet.
>go to history
>Most recent post is about mass downvoting
Yeah checks out lmao
Edit: hmmm can’t figure out how to add green text brackets here
You need to escape them, like this:
\> go to history \> Most recent post is about mass downvotingThanks mate
There are accounts that exclusively downvote random comments. Not controversial comments, random ones. I have no idea what the person running the bot gets out of it.
Probably kids practicing their first bot or something
A false sense of power and control.
Winning
>like this
Whenever I feel the need to check the post history I now just stop replying and move on.
Winning lotto numbers are in my comment history trust it’s a good use of time
Nah, post history is a great way to adapt to someone’s style and beat them…
Obviously the direct “well hurrdurr your post history has this and that, argument invalid” approach is idiotic, but you can use the post history to point out fallacies (say, if someone is more lenient about an issue just because the politics of the person/people involved), but also to prepare what kind of counter-argument they might bring so you can slap back immediately.
See, most debates that are good, are good because of the right comebacks, counter-arguments, and the wit being used. But a good majority of those aren’t thought up on the spot! No, debates are 95% about prep, and one of the most important factors is who you’re debating. Their personality can be an incredibly useful tool against them, because with the right words/phrases you can manipulate their reactions - while essentially saying the same thing. You prepare to a debate by guessing how your opponent will react, and the more you know about their personality (post history), the better you can prepare.
So yeah, post history can be super useful if you know how to use it. And it’s most useful when the others - the person in question included - don’t realise that you’re using the post history.
Wow this comment is very Ben Shapiro debate bro coded.
You sound kind of evil dawg. The internet is for fun.
The “win” here likely refers to that of a moral or ethical one. Thanks for helping prove the point.