I just want to comment it’s awesome seeing paycheque spelled correctly.
Otherwise the world order sucks balls, I also think that’s accurate beyond British spelling of cheque. If people made their demands known perhaps people could all enjoy a bit more of what our labour gives the higher classes. Mean that is bit short sighted given the population difference and all.
Wait I forgot which community this was, I hope it’s appropriate. I kept forgetting to check out what mop was about but always seemed to jive with my thoughts.
I mean there is some merit to it. Some people get a raise or promotion and immediately buy a new car or rent a new apartment or use up all that extra money somewhere else.
I recently bought a house. The previous owner had a tenant living in it whom was trying to save enough to buy the house. That renter owned and drove a Cadillac escalade. I drive a hatchback beater car. If i had her car and gas payments, i doubt I’d have saved enough for a down payment.
Living within your means shouldn’t be a controversial statement.
while I agree, the image implies that everyone complaining is not. aka “Eat less avacado on toast”.
when in reality it means “be homeless, you will save a ton on rent!” something about the disconnect of the wealthy editors.
The image is a screenshot of a tweet featuring a pair of screenshots put near each other and stripped of context. The tweet primes you to assume bad faith and given that assumption the inner pair of screenshots does seem like it’s blaming poor people.
But honestly, if you click on a link that lists common causes of headache and the first one doesn’t apply to you, do you construct a narrative about how the editors are disconnected from people who don’t suffer from the first cause of headache?
There are people who are living paycheck to paycheck who could lower their standards of living. Listing that as a way to resolve living paycheck to paycheck that will work for some people is simply correct.
At worst, we can blame the website for tweeting about this without the appropriate disclaimers when understanding it is going out to a broader audience many of who are genuinely poor. Especially because this sort of thing is often ragebait that attracts further engagement, as it did in this instance. But we can just as well blame the person who wrote the tweet for spreading that message and boosting their engagement, or lumpenproletariat for posting a screenshot of the tweet here and further boosting their engagement.
Maybe not controversial but it’s certainly triggering in a time of increasing class discrepancy.
Be happy with what you have and work harder if you want more are the mantra of those that typically already have more and are never happy with what they have themselves.
I watch my coworker go through the same problem every two weeks. He sits there refreshing his bank app waiting for that paycheck to hit so he can afford some Doordash. Like, dude, if you’re going 24+ hours without food, maybe it’s a good idea to start buying groceries instead of paying a double premium.
fun fact. if you include your time cooking and calculate the effort and mental strain involved, giving in a financial value… it’s not like that $8 premium is saving you anything…
eggs cost $12 in some places still. groceries are not cheap.
You’re doing math wrong to justify shitty decisions.
oh I am? so your time has no value?
there is this bridge I want to build and since you have so much free time and don’t value any of it, why dont you help me. since I’m providing the materials making it free, it shouldn’t be a issue, right?
were you planning on earning income during the cooking time? if not… wtf are you calculating a loss is cooking time.
super annoying when people say time=money but they spend most to that time on their ass watching tv… like sure, you could have made money but you were not going too so don’t compare time spent as a loss because… you weren’t gonna do shit anyways.
also, it’s so you don’t die… so ya know… that also outweighs whatever you think is more important
money is just a figure of value. your time is valuable. if you work 14-16 hour days (including commute time), time spent outside of work, “working” is not resting.
the amount of people I’ve seen burnt out as they spend all Thier time outside of work with habits that don’t value their own time, just Thier wallets is rediculous. Money will be spent either way, spend it on things that don’t result in you being burnt out at 25 and struggling worse.
so spend more on subpar cold food instead of learning skills like… cooking in order to save time to… relax or ???
also, you know order food is actually more unhealthy for you. higher fats, sugars, sodium etc… which inturn makes you feel more burnt out, and tired (and gain weight) which then using your justification means you need to conserve time so order more food. rinse repeat.
I see it as a compounding issue of poor health, caused by crap food, causing poor energy for your body then justifying the poor energy by thinking not doing a super simple task of… cooking…because it’ll cause more burnout so just order food.
honestly… I don’t see your point. if anything I see you justifying the problem instead of just fixing it at the root issue… the food.
It’s still way cheaper to buy groceries and make food rather than order door dash
it’s way cheaper to buy a bag of self rising flour, and active yeast, make your own bread. and grow your own potatoes endlessly from making seed potatoes from half of every potato you harvest.
but litterally that my point, your talking a $8 difference depending on your region between ingredients and prepared. – delivery fees vary wildly, I’ve gotten $40 worth of food with a $4 delivery fee… then a few months later ordered a single pizza to share that costed me $50 and a $18 delivery fee, because it had 3 toppings and was Sicilian style…
I’d be extremely surprised to see $12 eggs anywhere, at least not as the cheapest option. To be honest, it sounds like you don’t actually buy groceries very much if you think that. As of last week at my local supermarket, eggs are $2.50-$5.00 for a dozen, depending if you opt for the organic options or not.
But yeah, this just reads as a flimsy justification for bad habits. Cooking is quite simply cheaper and always has been. It is not difficult to make filling meals for $1-3 a person (staples like rice and beans are especially cost effective), which is far, far cheaper than ordering takeout from anywhere.
Groceries absolutely have gotten more expensive and it is a problem, but there’s no world in which that problem is improved by ordering Doordash or the like all the time.
your litterally commenting on your local area. my local area “large” (which are tiny) range from $5.80(cheapest, store branded, 12pack) to $11.40 (regional mega farm brand, 12pack). [for posterity, there is premium free-range for $14].
local supermarkets stock around 8 cartons of the store brand and are sold out by noon. they often are frozen in storage to extend shelf life, and as a result have terrible taste. I’ve stopped buying them, unless I’m baking something.
rice per kg is the least effective regionally. it has to be brought in from overseas, it’s not grown here. however, it is still quite inexpensive per volume. $32/kg for jasmine.
for a hearty meal of 2 veggies, a protein, and a starch, the cheapest I can achieve locally is $13 for 2 servings. if you include my 20-40 minutes of prep, and 12 minutes of cook time. that makes the meal “cost” me around $31.
time spent cooking, is time not spent doing hobbies, reading, learning new skills to gain better employment or simply relaxing.
I’m not advocating for door dash every night, that’s insane. but 1-3 times a week pays for it’s self, if you consider your own value as part of the equation.
Cooking shouldn’t take much effort or be mentally straining. And unless you are going to be making money instead of cooking than you shouldn’t be giving it a cash value. $8 is a lot when when you need money.
You could get at least a full day of food out of $8 if you shop right.
Most things that “shouldn’t take much effort or be mentally straining” still are for me and I’m sure I’m not alone.
I deal with it rather than ordering but regardless.
There is maybe a minute of actual effort to cook my eggs and put in a wrap in the morning. Once they are in pan i can do things like make my coffee or get changed for work. I am definitely saving money making my own breakfast and coffee. For the price of a bag of coffee and a bag of sugar, i could buy maybe 10 coffees.
live alone and make a single serving?
do agree on coffee, however I also live in a nation that makes some amazing coffee and $2-3 a cup 1-2x a week is reasonable. my Keurig or espresso machine takes longer and only is as cost effective if I’m drinking it every day (those unground beans go stale rather quick :( – unfortunately flavoured creamers are not a thing really outside of the states to cover the taste of stale coffee)
This sounds shitty if you phrase it like that, but there is some profound truth behind that. Your financial health depends almost more than anything else on your ability to spend less than is available to you. Ideally, you will achieve that without hurting your quality of life by optimizing your expenses, and by mentally overcoming that widespread modern delusion that quality of life is measured in money spent.
But sometimes that isn’t really possible, and at that point, even a minor reduction in standard of living can do wonders. Living as if you’re just slightly poorer than your money says you are is a borderline financial superweapon. The peace of mind that comes from knowing a random life upset (Like suddenly rising gasoline prices because of another ill-advised military adventure in the middle east) is not going to ruin you tends to more than make up for the loss of luxury and convenience from living in a 10% smaller home, driving a 10% cheaper car, going to restaurants 10% less, and so on.
What’s more, this is not a commentary on poverty. (Of course, poverty is a real problem. The growth in wages, especially on the lower end hasn’t been keeping up with the cost of living for a while now, presenting serious systemic problems.) This applies on every income level short of ultra-rich. The stories from couples living on double six-figure incomes (USD) yet still getting deeper into debt every year just boggle my mind, but this a fairly common reality in some circles.
If you realize just how badly enslaved you are by your addictions to luxury, convenience and status, you can live a much more serene, and ultimately even much richer, life.
I don’t know who you think is living “at their means” in 2026. either they already live just below it to survive or just above it sucking on debt to keep up appearances at the office (so they are not fired as a result!)
groceries, rent, fuel, insurance, everything, has never been more expensive. worse it’s not local to you, this is a world wide issue at the moment.
cost of living skyrocketed in mid 2024 and has only gone up since. what you are saying implies that people can “step down” from non-essentials, like we didn’t already do that in 2020. I don’t know anyone who has been able to live “at their means” since before covid.
I’m married to a engineer, our net income should be making us a nice cushion that makes sure neither of us have to worry. instead, we had to sell all of our cars, stop every hobby, go to leasing electric cars (as buying one is too expensive and cheap petrol cars like we had cost 4x what electric does per month…) and even after all of that…
still have to carefully decide what essential thing we are cutting out of the weekly food budget… I’ve eaten so much frozen chicken and imported fake honey & pb sandwiches in the last two years for most of my meals to feel nauseated every time I see a KFC… I still wonder how anyone below our income bracket can afford anything without litterally deciding they can never save any money… (and yes before saving 70% of our combined income is going to expenses.)
compared to 2018, when only 40% was going to expenses and we could enjoy life. this is just ridiculous. reality is far worse than people realise right now…
This is a lesson I wish I could teach other people in my life. I formed a polycule a while back and this has been the hardest part.
My wife and I both grew up on the poorer side. We got jobs and grew up faster than the rest of our friend group. Struggled through college together. Dealt with her eventually dropping out and being permanently unemployed because of a disability. Gave up on dreams like having children and taking vacations. I could sense that the housing market was rebounding in the mid-2010’s so we cobbled together enough money for a cheap house in an relatively rough neighborhood, wkth a monthly payment we could afford comfortably. Hopefully pay extra to pay it off early and save on interest. Slowly transitioned from buying everything cheap to buying stuff that was better value, but still not getting expensive stuff. Didn’t get a PS4 until 2019, and even that $199 slim model bundle with 3 games was still a significant purchase.
My career kept going and I hit 6 figures shortly after the pandemic. Which put our household in the top 1/3rd of income for our city. Still we stayed humble. Maybe go to a nice restaurant once a year. Order either pizza or Chinese or some other takeout once, maybe twice a month, as a treat. Paid off the student loans early. Took a couple vacations, but just long weekends spent in nearby cities we could drive to.
I learned to love the little things. Sitting on my porch on a summer weekend morning, the light filtering through the trees. Sipping some homemade iced coffee, eating some scrambled eggs. Watching the squirrels scurrying through the small bit of woods in my backyard, the birds flying from perch to perch, my cats chirping at it all from the window behind me. Playing guitar, not to make money or to try to be better than anyone else but just because it’s fun to do. Catching up on old videogames I bought used years ago and never had time to play.
Then we formed a polycule with another couple. They’re great people and I love the situation overall, but… They both grew up poor in the south, then moved to the Bay area and eventually started their own business. Then decided to move to a lower cost-of-living area and came to our small city. They make 4-5x what I do, probably in the top 5% of households in the city. They take a week long vacation roughly every 2 months, usually 1 or 2 of those trips each year being international. They usually go to an ultra expensive restaurant at least once a month. Go out to bars for drinks and order takeout a few times every week. Get their groceries delivered by one of those meal plan websites. Buys the latest AAA videogame on launch day. Watches movies in theaters as they come out. Constantly having packages delivering various trinkets and gadets and decorations.
The thing is… They don’t seem happy or at peace. They’re constantly searching for the next thing to buy. As soon as they come back from a trip they’re talking about how to be more extravagant on the next one. They seem more interested in finding greener grass than appreciating what’s under their feet.
I agree… People have too much pointless stuff. And many complain about not having money at the same time.
Hmmm. 2k a month for 700sq ft in a mid area. Not sure how much more I can reduce.
I mean most of my friends who have their own places live in 1 room studio apartments unless they’re living with somebody.
Yeah I have two kids. They have rooms, I sleep on the floor. Saving up to leave them a house. But the difficulty is getting real dumb.
Oof, single parenthood is rough. Best wishes and give the 'lil rascals some extra head pats.
I had roommates until I got married
have you tried being homeless! imagine the money you can save, not paying rent! you can afford to buy a house in ~20000 years (in the irradiated zones)…
It’s not that uncommon. People do that. It’s actually nice to not have “stuff” and reconnect with what it really means to be a self reliant human.
People live in their cars for awhile. Some people even just get a camping net and sleeping bag and do urban camping.
Phone, gym membership to shower, and a job. You get a more exciting life experience.
Some people even prefer it. You don’t have to have the things you’re told you need to be happy. I’ve realized it’s all like shitty drugs anyway. Sober or not so many people are sold escapism like it’s something they are supposed to have. Getting rid of all your stuff can be a blessing, like a detox from all that’s unnecessary. Lifestyles people roped into are marketed to them to make other people rich, not to make your own life better.
in many parts of the world, it’s a criminal offense not to have a permanent residency with a mailing address registered to you.
vagrancy laws first existed due to health and wealthfare concerns (albeit this was a lie), but reality is these laws remained.
as a result many employers, when they do background checks and discover you don’t have one, have to deny you as your a liability.
if your already employed, if your employer finds out, they can fire you and request compensation, due to violating liability insurance clauses.
the only way to typically do this successfully is to be self employed or to be a day labourer.
this is all before the tax issues that apply…
as some one who spent many months homeless while employed and hiding it from their employer because they didn’t make enough to continue living in a sublease… yeah… most people that prefer that typically are on a ton of copium to avoid society or actively are doing it to skirt legal requirements, to maintain a “lifestyle”…
that said, all the more power to anyone’s personal choices. I personally hate the system that makes the bare minimum include being homeless.
It can be difficult to get a legitimate job without at least a mailing address.
Good point. I was lucky to be able use a past address that still was lived in by family.
in 2026 this is far more difficult. surveillance tech and AI has turned privacy into a premium feature.
I’ve seen people (nearly) lose their jobs as their employers did silent background checks throughout the year to confirm that they haven’t been convicted of a crime and it come back that Thier registered address didnt belong to them as state police were getting bad information from a databroker. flock was misreading thier plates and thinking they were living 1h away in a parking lot…
point is, when mistakes like that are made, it shows how hard it is to hide when you are doing something.
Next headline : younger generation are killing the restaurant industry with their « staying at home » attitude
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