i mean i literally caught the town’s biggest right wing troll spray painting “let’s go brandon” on his own garage and fence, trying to make it look like vandalism. did the shittiest job of it too
It is not half of Americans. It is at least 66% of them. A third of all Americans voted for Trump. Another third sat out and consciously chose not to vote. Then a third voted against him.
The majority of Americans approve of the governance and current state of the US.
I do not see how you equate not voting with Trump support when you’re literally on the “Kamala wasn’t left enough for me” website. And I’m speaking as someone who does think those people are fucking stupid and that they’re about as or maybe even less likely to start a revolution than people who did vote.
This is an open source forum similar to Reddit. It is not a dedicated site for American non-voters. It is very American to assume it is solely for them though. High off of your own farts, the lot of you.
I’m not who you replied to but I have a similar view.
For me, it’s not “you didn’t vote, so you support Trump”, it’s “you didn’t vote, which says you were fine with any of the available candidates, how they presented themselves, and their plans for this nation. You were fine with any of them being President.” Anybody who was fine with Trump being President gets criticism from me.
Hell, I give more credit to somebody who put a write-in vote for “my cat: Sir Fluffykins, esq. III” because at least that person would make their voice heard that no candidate was acceptable.
Because one of them wants to eliminate a class of people. The other just doesn’t want to be around the people who want to eliminate a class of people. They just want to be left to their devices.
You are meeting their hateful delusions by sinking to their level.
90% of them arent even thinking about the actions they’re taking with any real depth. Treating the quiet ones the same as the loud ones allows them to sink further and further into their delusions, because honestly they just dont know any better. Yelling in their face about how they’re nothing but inhuman monsters isnt going to change their minds. And considering their dominance, if you don’t change their minds these problems will continue.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t protect trans rights or anything like that. I’m just saying that dehumanizing around 30% of the country is a bad idea and is completely counterproductive.
As another reply said, they’re dehumanizing themselves. Disagreeing on policy is one thing, but when one side is burning books and closing research labs and treating a charlatan’s blatant lies as the Gospel truth because their worldview is fundamentally incompatible with factual reality, there’s no reasoning with that. Debate doesn’t fucking work at that point; you need a cult deprogramming!
But it’s not a Republican vs Democrat thing. It’s empathy vs not. As a social species, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that those without empathy are fundamentally broken and need fixing. You can’t have a functioning society with no empathy. And we benefit from a functioning society.
But there is a fix. Empathy can be learned. It’s not magic, it’s practice. And those who refuse to learn shouldn’t be welcome in society.
Fuck it. I’m no longer responding to this thread. If you can’t understand that dehumanizing them and attacking their ideals is bad (politically bad) I don’t have anything else to say.
We need to reason with them, not fight. Everyone believes what they’re doing is good, if you attack that, you’re the bad one and they won’t listen to you anymore.
i just want to comment that what you say is sane from a political point of view. don’t listen to the knee-jerk reaction here, it’s “monkey sees enemy, monkey clicks button” type of stuff.
just to give some examples, the big historical movements like religion in the medieval ages were successful largely because they managed to unify all people in society somehow. by providing common grounds. and that’s the same ideals of humanity, of democracy, that people claim to defend on here.
we can’t protect democracy by taking away the humanity, by not considering the other one human anymore. because at that point, democracy is already dead.
You are kind of proving their point here. You are trying to reason with them, but in your mind they are not being reasonable, so you are disengaging because you don’t see how further engagement can be useful. Instead, you just call them the bad one.
This is exactly the process you are arguing against. People are not being reasonable, so you can’t expect reason to be convincing.
I am not part of the discussion but you answered to a completely civil argument. People not agreeing with you is not a bad thing. If you think you are right, make counter points. Otherwise try to guess why their views differ and over think your own opinion. It is a good thing to get convinced by somebody else’s opinion, both win in that case.
half of americans
they will never draw the line, Republicanism is a terminal disease
that’s why they have so many children, otherwise they would die off …
No … “own the libs no matter what” is a terminal disease.
The average Republican would staple their nutsack to a wall if it meant they could troll a liberal by doung it.
i mean i literally caught the town’s biggest right wing troll spray painting “let’s go brandon” on his own garage and fence, trying to make it look like vandalism. did the shittiest job of it too
Thats exactly what the person you are replying to said…
Damn right, domine salvum fac regem my monarchist brother. /s
It is not half of Americans. It is at least 66% of them. A third of all Americans voted for Trump. Another third sat out and consciously chose not to vote. Then a third voted against him.
The majority of Americans approve of the governance and current state of the US.
I do not see how you equate not voting with Trump support when you’re literally on the “Kamala wasn’t left enough for me” website. And I’m speaking as someone who does think those people are fucking stupid and that they’re about as or maybe even less likely to start a revolution than people who did vote.
This is an open source forum similar to Reddit. It is not a dedicated site for American non-voters. It is very American to assume it is solely for them though. High off of your own farts, the lot of you.
If you thought I was being literal, I don’t know what to tell you.
I’m not who you replied to but I have a similar view.
For me, it’s not “you didn’t vote, so you support Trump”, it’s “you didn’t vote, which says you were fine with any of the available candidates, how they presented themselves, and their plans for this nation. You were fine with any of them being President.” Anybody who was fine with Trump being President gets criticism from me.
Hell, I give more credit to somebody who put a write-in vote for “my cat: Sir Fluffykins, esq. III” because at least that person would make their voice heard that no candidate was acceptable.
Oh yeah, dehumanizing political enemies, it can’t go wrong
They dehumanized themselves … We just calling it out.
Why shouldn’t conservatives claim that we, liberals, are dehumanizing ourselves by supporting trans rights for example? Why?
Because one of them wants to eliminate a class of people. The other just doesn’t want to be around the people who want to eliminate a class of people. They just want to be left to their devices.
They don’t think like that. You can’t fight radicalization with radicalization.
“They don’t think like that. You can’t keep claiming 2+2=4 and that the clear sky is blue; you have to meet their hateful delusions halfway!”
No. Your argument is deranged, dishonest nonsense.
You are meeting their hateful delusions by sinking to their level.
90% of them arent even thinking about the actions they’re taking with any real depth. Treating the quiet ones the same as the loud ones allows them to sink further and further into their delusions, because honestly they just dont know any better. Yelling in their face about how they’re nothing but inhuman monsters isnt going to change their minds. And considering their dominance, if you don’t change their minds these problems will continue.
The solution to division isnt more division.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t protect trans rights or anything like that. I’m just saying that dehumanizing around 30% of the country is a bad idea and is completely counterproductive.
As another reply said, they’re dehumanizing themselves. Disagreeing on policy is one thing, but when one side is burning books and closing research labs and treating a charlatan’s blatant lies as the Gospel truth because their worldview is fundamentally incompatible with factual reality, there’s no reasoning with that. Debate doesn’t fucking work at that point; you need a cult deprogramming!
They do.
But it’s not a Republican vs Democrat thing. It’s empathy vs not. As a social species, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that those without empathy are fundamentally broken and need fixing. You can’t have a functioning society with no empathy. And we benefit from a functioning society.
But there is a fix. Empathy can be learned. It’s not magic, it’s practice. And those who refuse to learn shouldn’t be welcome in society.
Fuck it. I’m no longer responding to this thread. If you can’t understand that dehumanizing them and attacking their ideals is bad (politically bad) I don’t have anything else to say.
We need to reason with them, not fight. Everyone believes what they’re doing is good, if you attack that, you’re the bad one and they won’t listen to you anymore.
i just want to comment that what you say is sane from a political point of view. don’t listen to the knee-jerk reaction here, it’s “monkey sees enemy, monkey clicks button” type of stuff.
just to give some examples, the big historical movements like religion in the medieval ages were successful largely because they managed to unify all people in society somehow. by providing common grounds. and that’s the same ideals of humanity, of democracy, that people claim to defend on here.
we can’t protect democracy by taking away the humanity, by not considering the other one human anymore. because at that point, democracy is already dead.
You are kind of proving their point here. You are trying to reason with them, but in your mind they are not being reasonable, so you are disengaging because you don’t see how further engagement can be useful. Instead, you just call them the bad one.
This is exactly the process you are arguing against. People are not being reasonable, so you can’t expect reason to be convincing.
You can’t reason with someone who wants you dead. Simple as that.
I am not part of the discussion but you answered to a completely civil argument. People not agreeing with you is not a bad thing. If you think you are right, make counter points. Otherwise try to guess why their views differ and over think your own opinion. It is a good thing to get convinced by somebody else’s opinion, both win in that case.
You just think I’m the other guy. I didn’t say dehumanize. I said they’re not suitable for society and need to be fixed.
They’re still human. They’re just douchebags. And we don’t have to tolerate those.
Your logic results in deranged people killing and abusing non deranged people “who just want to reason”.
You cannot reason with zealots who want you dead. This is a suicidal mindset that you have. Why not just give up and let the bad guys win?
Because factual reality exists.
** Half of Americans who are eligble voters and who decided to vote on Nov 5th, 2024.
Not voting was still a vote in and of itself. I hold them responsible too.
ah, a consequentialist. so you take responsibility for Trump’s election, as well, right?