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    Israel commiting genocide/ethnic cleansing while the media utterly ignores it?

    Thats utterly preposterous! How could such a thing happen again!? /s

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    I think Israel senses that the writing is on the wall. For decades they’ve preferred to gradually expand their borders, slowly antagonizing their neighbors and then using the resulting retaliations to justify land theft.

    But this shtick is wearing thin. Slowly the tide is turning against Israel, even in the US. And Trump is likely to be the high water mark for US support of Israel. Trump’s given them a blank check, so they’re treating this as their last chance to grab as much land as possible while facing minimal international resistance. This is the fire sale of the US/Israel alliance.

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      Unless the jewish people who oppose the actions of Israel start speaking up there may not be a difference going forward. Sadly.

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      Israel and Zionists constantly conflating the state of Israel with the Jewish people is responsible for much of the rise of anti-semitism, and it’s all on purpose, too. Israel wants Jews living in other nations to feel more and more in danger so that they move to Israel so they can be used as settlers to push more native people out of their homes. It’s all part of the Zionist plan and has been since the formation of the state of Israel.

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        Meanwhile, pretty much every Jewish person I’ve met in Canada has been horrified by Israel’s actions and whole-heartedly support the Palestinian people.

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    Lebanon’s government and military were actually helping Israel combat Hezbollah. It was the only path towards stability.

    You see the thanks this got them…

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    Only a matter of time before they call it something else and the world’s media just pretends it’s always been part of Israel.

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    They’re covering it here in Europe it’s on the news regularly. The problem is that nobody cares in Europe to do anything.

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      To clarify, they cover the facts of the matter in a very abstract, passive way - they’ll say that Lebanon is being struck by Israeli missiles and that IDF forces are telling people to leave their homes, but no one will even come close to suggesting that what’s happening is ethnic cleansing.

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        Sanction Israel for genocide for a start. Cut off diplomatic economic educational and financial ties with them. Like the world did with South Africa.

        But Europe doesn’t give a fuck about genocide unless it’s on their soil.

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            Fair. But if any bloc in the world can do it it’s the European Union. But their members don’t give a shit otherwise they would have by now.

            The fact is no one in Europe cares about it. Years, decades, of weasel words and inaction. Years of illegal occupation and ifnoryof UN mandates. Years of on going genocide. But the people dying aren’t white Europeans… oh well too bad for them I suppose?

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              Yeah, and Pakistan and Indonesia have done what exactly? The Saudis have sanctioned and oil embargoed the US? Egypt has forced aid through the Gaza border? Turkey has seized American military bases? Right? Right? No.

              Everyone is complicit. More or less every nation would rather have peace and comfortable political discussions, rather than stand up against the world hegemon. Some tried, Libya, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran. Find me one country that has opposed the US in this? And before you say Spain, let me note that they haven’t even kicked out their ambassador. What do you want from Europe that no other country is willing to do?

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                The difference is that European countries regularly proselytise how open and kind they are and how they respect the rule of law and international human rights. Pakistan / Saudi Arabia doesn’t 😄.

                Everyone is complicit.

                Yes. They are. But Europe should take a lead in this if I am honest. Lead by example that if you genocide people you can’t do business here.

                But that’s not going to happen.

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                  I agree 100%, and as a European I am disgusted by the political elites here and have been since the Iraq War when I marched in protest against their obvious violations of international law. But the so called democracies of Europe are in many ways plutocracies beholden to the plutocracy of the US. I’ve voted, protested, written in the papers and been part of organizations, yet my opinions are by the majority considered radical and unrealistic. But at least in Europe, people like me are not put behind bars.

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                The sanctions should be on the state who is building colonies and not simply some random settlers and settler orgs

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        There are European nations that send a lot of money to Israel every year. Maybe they can stop doing that?

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    They didn’t cover the cleansing of a primarily Muslim territory, why should it differ from cleansing primarily Christian territory?

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      That trick doesn’t work anymore. Maybe Zionists should stop playing into stereotypes by bribing influencers and paying off politicians and the news media.

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      Israel and Zionists constantly conflating the state of Israel with the Jewish people is responsible for much of the rise of anti-semitism, and it’s all on purpose, too. Israel wants Jews living in other nations to feel more and more in danger so that they move to Israel so they can be used as settlers to push more native people out of their homes. It’s all part of the Zionist plan and has been since the formation of the state of Israel.

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    We’re going to have a world war against the USA and Israel. It might not be today, tomorrow or even in a few years… but I feel like it’s inevitable. They are rogue terrorist states and are responsible some of the most heinous war crimes in recorded history. They need to be stopped.

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      This is a gross generalization. It’s like aliens looking down on earth and saying “we really have to do something about these humans.”

      Like, sure. We, as a species, might have earned that… But, is it all humans?

      The right shift in power across nations could solve this. It starts with people acknowledging that the real issue is rogue governments. Right now in the United States, our government is rogue.

      Random people born in Russia don’t want to kill Ukrainians any more than every American wants to kill random people in the Middle East. Our humanity is important, and where you’re born and live doesn’t dictate your loyalty to empowered dictators.

      The movement that needs to happen is one where the people rise up in all nations, and unite. It starts with language. America doesn’t need to be destroyed any more than Russia, but their governments require radical changes.

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      It’s happening now, western countries have just mostly decided to fall in line and support them

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      Doesnt work that way. Evil is not a country. You can attack it and try to destroy it, and if you succeed, another country will take its place.

      But yeah, its worth doing anyway since it gives temporary relief. Otherwise the logic would be to not try to stop oppressive countries, and that obviously doesnt work either.

      What this place needs is a big spiritual upgrade of humans, so they would stop becoming evil just for money and power.

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      Just keep this in mind during the next election when you see the US suspects pushing “both sides” and “corporate dem” narratives. Don’t be a sucker.

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      Maybe I’m ignorant but if every English speaking nation stood together and told the US that they were being evil and doing wrong, and that they’d no longer join in with their invasions, the US would probably stand down.

      Too bad they’re all pussies (Australia included)

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        This might have been the case under sane-but-horrible leaders like George W. Bush, Mike Pence, and the last Democrats, but I think this outcome is improbable as 1) that international united refusal didn’t happen when George W. Bush waged war over lies in the Middle East; 2) This administration is composed of hyped-up christo-fascists and their sycophants, and is goaded by oligarchs who want the destruction of the USA so they can buy up what remains.

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          It’s fucking wild that W is a beacon of sanity now. You aint wrong but its still fucking wild

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      No way Europe meaningfully stands up to Uncle Sam, and heinous Israeli-American war crimes are nothing new. Trump still hasn’t actually outdone the Iraq war, for example.

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        They won’t because Europe is always on the loosing side and getting in any war is bad, against the us, let’s be honest, it would be a disaster. Europe have to protect their people too.
        The war that will change the world will be US x China. China is a military superpower and it is surpassing the US, or at least matching them, little by little.
        That’s the scary part for me. they will end the world

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          They won’t because Europe is always on the loosing side and getting in any war is bad, against the us, let’s be honest, it would be a disaster.

          I meant diplomatically and economically, not necessarily militarily. There are cards that can be played without getting into a hot (or even cold) war with the US; (most) European countries just don’t use them because A: Their elites profit from US war crimes too, and B: Most of them are happy being US vassal states.

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      Just like the rogue terrorist state Russia needs to be stopped in their attempted annexations and political psyops.

      Or China needs to be stopped in their aggressions against Taiwan and ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs and other “undesirable” people.

      I feel like there is no winning scenario left in this.

      Who are “we” anyway?

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          Oh wow, yeah if they’re at least undocumented it’s all good.

          Just because Trump is basically the worst possible example of a human being there can be, I’m not gonna believe for a second that any other ruling politicians or oligarchs are saints. Just that those others have better control over the media, which Trump wants to achieve as well.

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            China didn’t bomb any school lately. Sounds like you’re looking for excuses for what your side is doing.

            Which makes sense given feddit overt support for zionism

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        You can’t compare China, who hasn’t waged a single war in 50 years, to a genocidal entity like “Israel” that is being constantly aided by the US empire and defended by the western propaganda machine.

        And regarding Xinjiang, you may need to look at the facts before throwing terms like “ethnic cleansing.”

        EDIT: I have to add how despicable and of ill nature it is to shift the conversation away from the issue at hand, i.e. the war crimes of the imperialist machine, and towards discursive topics.

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          China is now arguably the fifth largest supplier of arms supplying weapons and ammo to conflict regions. China is well known for its forced cultural assimilation and they have never stopped. Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

          I see you cherry picked the years because between the cultural revolution and the subsequent famine China lost well over 50 millions citizens.

          We know the facts, the labor camps, the dramatic drop in birth rates, the altering of mosques to look more Chinese. Forced cultural assimilation is a genocidal act when the US did it to the Native Americans. China is no different.

          Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?

          If the US disappeared tomorrow Chiva would happily fill its spot as a the number one human rights abuser with their garbage partners Russia and North Korea.

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            Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

            Opening in the sense that there’s been over a decade of accusations and still no actual evidence of even a single death, or indeed any physical evidence at all, with the excuse that it’s all going on in secret. So, the opposite of open.

            Israel couldn’t hide genocide in Gaza despite having it completely locked down and the tacit support of the media, but apparently China is doing it on an even bigger scale in a place people can freely travel to.

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            Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?

            Capitalism and socialism are not some clear cut systems or categories that can be merely “adopted.” They are modes of production that are dictated by the material and social relations of production in a given space at a given time. For instance, the transition from feudalism to capitalism did not occur neither swiftly, nor neatly nor universally; rather, capitalist bubbles existed at the epitome of feudal rule and did not expand until the favourable material circumstances emerged — abrupt demographic changes in the 14th century, colonialist ventures by private companies in American continent, and so forth. And even after capitalism became the dominant mode of production, feudalist relations of production still existed at the peripheries.

            A similar perspective should be adopted in China. The existence of markets is not a core aspsct of capitalism; and regarding billionaires, the PRC prosecutes even more of them, in addition to the tens of thousands of millionaires who emigrate every year.

            This is exactly what socialism looks like, a transitional stage that will bring forth a post-capitalist society once the international contradictions (Chinese millionaires) as well as external (US imperialist encroachment) are extinguished. Some policies may succeed, while others may fail and become lessons for future policymaking. But to call this anything close to fascism is treason to the working classes of the Global South.

            Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.

            Just ask yourself a simple yet important question: what does the PRC stand to gain from indiscriminately persecuting its own citizens and making them suffer aimlessly?

            You can travel right now to Xinjiang and visit all of its towns and cities freely with total access and ease (as many tourists do every year), and you would see people openly speaking Uyghur, rituals and local events practiced publicly, and mosques operating normally. If you’re adamant on believing what some white journalist from NYT or WSJ has to say instead of the locals and residents as well as tourists and independent, on-ground reporters, then this conversation should stop right here.

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              You don’t get more billionaires by practicing socialism. You would have to be truly naive to believe China is practicing socialism. Also, their greatest accomplishment of raising so many people out of poverty was because of capitalism not socialism.

              Why does China engage in forced cultural assimilation? Because it always has throughout history. They even have a name for it, sinicization.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization

              China has always and will always be imperialist which is why when campists call out the US for Imperialism it is so unbelievably hollow.

              You can also travel to reservations in the US to see Native Americans dancing and singing. Clearly this proves the US has done nothing wrong. To be frank, your position is not supported by facts and it is naive to say the least.

              The US also prosecutes their wealthy like Martin Shkreli. Does this suddenly absolve their capitalism. I know you are not joking, but it is hard to take you seriously when you hand wave the fact that China has now created more billionaires than the US for the second year in a row.

              I judge a nations level of fascism by not only their wealthy inequality but a growing wealth gap. A truly socialist country would not have this issue. China continues to increase its wealth gap dramatically.

              https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/rise-wealth-private-property-and-income-inequality-china

              If you are trying to convince me you are a campist you have done an excellent job.

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                Again, you’re ignoring the fact that socialism is not a defined set of policies that gets to be uniformly applied in a vaccum. The trajectory even has historically varied from one socialist state to another. To attribute the accomplishments of the PRC to “capitalism” is inaccurate. What there is in China is a market economy that is predominated by public ownership and state-owned enterprises, which is nowhere close to capitalism.

                You condemn the consequences of the early Maoist policies, and then equally condemn Dengist reforms. What’s the point of critiquing for the sake of critiquing, whem there is no constructive effort on your part to properly assess and understand the material and historical circumstances that have led to China’s development into what it is now, only being guided by emotions and a confident lack of theory. One recent book on the matter that I recommend is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer.

                China has always and will always be imperialist

                This is ahistorical and untheoretical thinking on your part. Imperialism is an advanced form of capitalism. An imperialist state is one that has saturated its domestic markets and as a consequence seeks to expand its markets and the reproduction of private capital overseas, by all means possible and most notably by force. China simply does not possess the features of imperialism. Prolewiki has a very informative article that explains the concept.

                Until now, you’ve only indiscriminately sprinkled terms like imperialism and capitalism and fascism without much thought in the process, and so we’ve reached an impasse.

                As to the Xinjiang matter, your views reflect those of the western propaganda machine. I’ve already mentioned above a FAQ compiled by Dessalines (yes, Lemmy’s lead dev) which contains many articles and documents that may at the very least give a different perspective on this matter.

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                  Seeing as you have be unable to effectively refute anything I have said I think we are done here. Cheers!

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          Why would you attack me by implying I have alterior motives when I simply replied to the top comment? It doesn’t mention an “imperialist machine”, it states that there will be a world war against the US & Israel.

          I simply stated that I can see no “good” allied forces against the “bad” axis in this conflict as in WW2 (let’s just say that, for all its own problems, the lines were more clearly defined back then). Everyone’s kinda the baddies now.

          Regarding your sources: Wow, someone has certainly been busy. I simply haven’t had the time to read it all, but if you consider a paid journalist on a curated trip to the region and a professionally produced video series with apparent residents as credible sources, I am not convinced. It’s no secret that Bejing has a heavy grip on the media and censors basically all critical outlets. I do not expect any official account of anything bad ever happening there.

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            The concept of an independent Tibet never existed before the British imperialists in India plotted to expand their sphere of influence into China. See for instance the Lhasa Convention.

            Furthermore:

            Britain put before the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs a five-point demand, indicating the denial of China’s sovereignty over Tibet. When the Chinese government rejected the British demand, the British blocked all the roads leading from the British Raj in India to Tibet.

            In 1913 the British government coerced local Tibetan authorities into declaring independence and proposed that:

            “Britain be the weaponry supplier after total independence of Tibet;” “Tibet accept British envoys’ supervision of Tibetan financial and military affairs in return for Britain’s support of Tibetan independence;” “Britain be responsible for resisting the army of the Republic of China when it reaches Tibet;” “Tibet adopt an open policy and allow freedom of movement of the British.”

            Source.

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        All countries who is doing or supporting grave crimes agsinst humanity should be help acvoutsble including your trashy country

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      I don’t think so. They can’t manufacture their weapons if the rest of the world stops exporting parts and material inputs to them. They are very far from self-reliant.

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      Too meme is not the best approach. Don’t concede to the zionists their idea of conflating Judaism with their white supremacist ethnostate. Their defense of claiming that criticizing their atrocities is anti-semitism needs to be dispelled to protect Jews in Palestine and the diaspora who are anti-zionist as well and not alienate them.

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        Respectfully to you, fuck that.

        I don’t hate Jews specifically, but fuck every single religious person. I am done with it. How many time do we need to see genocides or wars or just bombings that are solely motivated through religious indoctrination? You may say that they are misinterpreting the words of the Lord or whatever horseshit, but as far as I am concerned every interpretation is exactly as valid as the next because it is all make believe nonsense.

        Everyone is playing pretend and then get upset when some people use that to steer the “play” into FUCKING MURDER!

        MAYBE STOP PLAYING PRETEND EVERY FUCKING DAY YOU FUCKING MORONS!

        If anyone says that their worldview is shaped by their religious beliefs, it is my view that they are a danger to the public should they hold public office.

        Every. Single. Time. I don’t care what those beliefs are or what your motivations are. Religions are fucking toxic in every iteration.

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          Lol gotta live the hypocrisy in being such a staunch atheist that you think you know objective truth but religious people don’t. Like secular beliefs aren’t narrative as well and like we can actually perceive objective reality through our limited subjected senses. Also, Jewish is not always religion. It’s also ethnicity. There are secular Jews. You claim religions are toxic, but your anti-religiousness seems to make you quite angry and toxic.

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            If you can look around at the results of allowing religions to dominate society for thousands of years and tell me that you think it’s going well, or even that we have a good chance of surviving the century as a species, then I don’t think you are a fully functioning human being.

            I don’t know what the objective truth of the world is. But what I do know, is that that truth has never been ordained to earthly man by a burning fucking bush or whatever the fuck your particular religion dictates.

            Arguing over interpretations of the hallucinations had by uneducated people thousands of years ago is not just pointless, it promotes a level of ignorance worship that is highly corrosive to a functioning society.