• JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world
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    What’s the temperature on posts that didn’t have the citation wherever the poster found it? Would the etiquette here be to link to that reddit post, or simply not post any content that lacks artist attribution?

    I’m thinking specifically the other day something was posted where the only source another user could find was it’s previous reddit post with the citation already cropped out. I checked myself and had the same result.

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      the etiquette is to find the original yourself, it’s usually not that hard, just reverse image search it, or not post it. why would you feel so obligated to share a comic with no author that someone else made?

      it’s easy to be a shitty person without intending to. that’s why we need to police our own actions and be conscious of the effect we have on others. when sharing the already stolen art we are perpetuating a problematic cycle. just because you didn’t start it and many others are doing it, that doesn’t make it less wrong.

      sharing someone else’s dumb joke is one of the lowest forms of interaction anyway. i have numerous friends that have devolved into that being the only way they communicate with others. i mostly just don’t talk to them anymore. i really don’t care about the reels they send me. no one should ever feel like they have some kind of right to post someone else’s art.

      i also generally hate the anti self promotion rules so many subteddits have. the ones that don’t are objectively better that the ones that do. what would you rather see? one more shared content mill whith the same 50 posts over and over and exclusivity stolen art. or something like r/comics with like 10 artists that all use it as a common platform to share their work.

      you may find the content that is currently popular there questionably horny, but that’s more of a reddit demographic problem than an issue with letting artists self promote. in just arguing that i prefer a platform like that where you interact with the artists and new authors pop up and disappear regularly. you also get unique interactions like the artists quickly throwing together a comment reply as a bonus panel.

      my point is that this place could be a better community than so much of reddit if we use it as a history book and learn from its victories and mistakes. it starts with policing ourselves and each other towards these goals. not reposting unatributed slop is one of those things we should not be doing if we want a good community.

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        You’re preaching to the choir here, I agree.

        no one should ever feel like they have some kind of right to post someone else’s art.

        It sure would be nice if the posts were the links directly to the artists own site, not rehosted elsewhere, that way the clicks might benefit them. It happens from time to time, but doesn’t seem to be commonplace. Hopefully when the mod returns, some changes will help shape this community for the better.

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      Pertains to this thread aimed at certain users posting webcomics after cropping or stripping out the artists signatures / credit from the post. The thread had 1,262 upvotes, so it’s gotten a fair amount of attention and seems to be important in the view of many users based on the comments, as upvotes don’t necessarily equate to approval.

      One such offender of this behavior responded with this post calling attribution “advertisement”.

      There was also another post mentioning the same issue by another user with 299 upvotes.

      There seems to be confusion regarding attribution and signatures with advertising watermarks, whether intentional or not.

      Attribution as in signatures, are put there in the same way any classical artist might sign a painting. They put their effort into making something that’s important to them, they deserve the credit for their creation. Typically as well, the signatures are unobtrusive as most artists don’t want to detract from their work. They deserve to be left on the post. Even better is if you link to the artists website where the post can be found, or at least to their social media post where you saw it since they get no clicks out of a rehosted image.

      Advertising watermarks added by a platform simply because you rehosted an image on its servers and shared it from there serve no purpose and detract from the image. Same thing with social media users adding their handle to an image they didn’t create. These absolutely should be stripped or cropped out if the original unmarked image can’t be found, in my opinion. Additionally providing a link back to sites like Reddit where you saw a post or meme, unless the artist shared it there, is unnecessary, especially when it comes to shitty sites like x or Reddit. You don’t need to give credit to some random account that just shared a meme.

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        Ah thank you for the context. As someone that only occasionally sees a comic post and doesn’t visit the community specifically, I hadn’t noticed the uproar. I appreciate the effort in your explanation.

        Hopefully the mod returns and makes the needed changes. Maybe appoints another mod or two.

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      If attribution can be given by linking to the original artist or otherwise annotating that the post did not have attribution and none could be found, that might be acceptable.

      But this post is in reference to a prolific poster who is deliberately removing attibution they think is “ads” which includes the artists signatures, watermarks, and social media attributions. That user has been deliberately removing said attributions recently because they “want ad free art”.

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        I wasn’t aware of that context, I haven’t seen whatever post where that was said. Obviously that’s the take of an imbecile, signing one’s own art far predates anything akin to modern advertising.

        Imagine cropping Michelangelo’s signature haha. Whomever that was is a buffoon.

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          Yeah. I figured you weren’t aware (same for a lot of people who downvoted the original comment).

          Op is not consistent about cropping signatures or removing credits. A lot of their older posts didn’t have credits removed.

          I’d like to think there’s a possibility that their post was a joke for April Fools but posts before April 1st and after it kind of refute that. They also continue to double down or feign ignorance like I’ve seen on other posts to avoid being called out or to try to shout down people who call them out for their own behavior. Both their post and comment history are telling.

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            You figured correctly. In fact I just looked and while I had seen the ‘motion’ post, I just gave it a vote and went on my merry way. Didn’t notice there was an upheaval going on.

            I skimmed through a fair amount of the offender’s comments, and I could sort of see someone making a mistake and lashing out in refusal to admit they messed up, but as you say, the doubling down makes it seem they actually believe it.

            The community mod sure is in for a surprise when they return. Hopefully it gets sorted out quickly.

            Thank you for the additional detail.

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      That’s probably what should happen.

      At the very least, an attempt must be made. If it is not possible to find proper attribution, then a mod should decide if it stays up on a case by case basis.

      Posting content stripped of attribution in the first place should be frowned upon in general. On the other hand, someone who sees the post may be able to help find attribution.