• Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    We’re looking at him through the lens of 2026. At least he pushed for the Affordable Care Act and repealing of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. The man wasn’t a saint but he sure as shit is better than what we have now. Yes I’d rather have a socialist like Bernie Sanders but this is all we have unfortunately and if I had to make a choice between the two administrations I’d go with Obama 11 times out of 10.

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      You, like everyone else, fail to realize that by having a weak leader, it dooms us to the fake strong leader of the republicans. Or the fascimile of the republicans in EVERY western country. Wake up. We will get reform, under strong leadership, either we give it to them, or fascists will.

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    I mean with Trump now, surely Obama comparatively seems great? Not a saint but isn’t it easy to see why those relatives would miss him?

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      Obama bombed children, that will never seem great in any way, shape, or form.

      If someone worse than Trump comes along, are you happy to say “I miss Trump?”.

      Have a line and hold it.

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        Ha ha, and it only gets worse from here. Not just in the US, across the west. Respective of party, every new administration worse than the last. Unless we organize.

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        I mean that’s the reason we have the words: “better” and “worse.”

        If something is “better than”, then yes, I believe it is better.

        Y’all act like anyone said Obama was a saint. Hell, some saints have been worse than Obama.

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          It’s why the overton window keeps shifting, because the level of evil you accept keeps looking better in comparison to worse.

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            Ok what’s your suggestion? To keep going with “worse”? To what end? What if I told you that not everyone wanted Bernie Sanders? What if I told you we live in a world where we need to live with each other and we all have different opinions and values?

            Since you can’t get everything YOU want you think you’re morally superior to others around you.

            Would you say that James Buchanan and/or Andrew Jackson are worse better or worse than Obama?

            History is full of horrible presidents, kings and leaders. Progress isn’t a straight line.

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        I get your point and I don’t disagree, but surely you get your relatives too?

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          Nope. I don’t really get that shortsighted mentality of missing the lesser evil.

          Evil is evil regardless and it should never be missed just because you weren’t a victim of their evil deeds. That’s how you abandon your solidarity

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      I wish online leftists hated conservatives half as much as they hate people who are only a little left wing. Like ya, Obama sucks and bombed a school a decade and a half ago but trump bombed one two weeks ago and also wants to do a genocide right now.

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      This is primarily an anarchist community. If you want us to call the Democrats good, you’ll be waiting for a long time. The 9th layer of hell and the 7th layer of hell have differences, but it’s still hell.

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    “I agree, he wasn’t perfect and was certainly a product of a broken system. However, nothing you’ve said has changed my missing him, nor my believing that he was infinitely better than Trump, even if not perfect.”

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    I would never sit with people who don’t value my opinion, even if they don’t like it. And even if that happens to be family: stop being toxic or fuck you. 🤷‍♂️