I think there isn’t a black and white (no pun intended) rule when it comes to standing up for someone else.
There are situations where it’s appropriate and situations it’s not.
And it’s hard to say across the board to keep your mouth shut if you are white and see another group being discriminated against. Or to always interject yourself.
I’m a woman and I think of the times I’ve been in a situation where I really would have appreciated a man stepping in so that I didn’t have to be the one woman calling out something so blatantly misogynist.
Because then I’m seen as the bad person. The snowflake.
But other times, I think . Men need to shut up about what they think women need or want about our reproductive health because they don’t know anything. But I sure would like it if they supported what we said.
My general rule is. I back people up if they say something about an injustice and show I support them.
But if I see blatant discrimination and injustices being enacted on someone, I will call it out.
And try my best not to draw attention to the person being discriminated against and make them feel embarrassed.
I worry about this sometimes. I don’t ever want to be seen as speaking “for” minorities I’m not a member of, but I do want to be seen speaking “up for” them. And I worry about finding the right balance. I don’t want to speak over them, but do want to help make it clear that I support them and I am opposed to those who are opposed to them. I don’t want to be MLK’s “white moderate”.
Enable them to speak for themselves. Be the person that notices they are missing from the conversation and invites them in.
Don’t worry, this is just chud racist propaganda in an attempt to divide the left by race.
Speak truth to power and punch Nazis.
I feel that the most important thing is to speak out against the people who oppose minorities’ rights. You don’t need to speak for minorities to oppose those who oppress them.
I heard this once, and it’s stuck with me since: don’t speak for people that you don’t speak to. It helps me remember that I don’t really know the challenges a marginalized community faces if I’m not a part of it, and I should do the work of listening and understanding before inserting myself into a situation with perhaps well-intentioned, but misguided, attempts at helping.
Most folks I know just want you to treat em like people. And if someone’s being a dick to the it’s certainly right to call it out (and maybe spit on em if the circumstance permits).
I struggle with this too. I’m reading White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo right now though and it’s main suggestion is to just oppose racism when you see it. Call white people out on their behavior even if it makes everyone uncomfortable and makes you unpopular.
Also, to listen to feedback from people of color without getting defensive. No one is going to be perfect and we live in a system which is constantly socializing us, it’s ok if we fuck up but just try and fix it when you learn better.
Stand beside, not in front.
You can stand in front as a shield, but only then.
Universal concepts, like Justice.
Careful thinking justice is a universe or objective concept.
I could make the case for systemic racism in the justice system: how and why it happens. But if I dont feel educated enough in that subject to do it justice, I could just say that everybody deserves the right to a fair trial, based on their actions rather than their skin color.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a CommunistThen they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a JewThen they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meI’m left
Then they came for the shitposters.
OK, now its time to speak out. That’s going too far!!
Hee hee ho ho ha ha
As long as you don’t “correct” or act like you know better that minorities, you will be a good Ally.
Don’t say “I will help you!”, instead ask “how can i help you?”
It’s funny because I’m constantly seeing minority groups telling white people not to ask how to help and to just figure it out and help or get out of the way.
It’s kinda frustrating hearing so many different takes on white people trying to help because it feels like a large portion don’t want us to help at all
The thing is, to us, what you can do to help is so obvious that it feels like we’re being asked how to breathe.
Help your community, volunteer for a cause, don’t get involved in acts of hatred disguised as moralism or the defense of a national or ethnic identity, educate yourself by reading authors who are part of the minority you want to support, confront and accept the reality of privilege, etc.
But also, often the question “How can I help?” masks the real question: “How can I be a hero to your people?”. So I suppose that before one ask how to help, one should first ask oneself “Do I really want to help?” and be honest about it.
What if the minorities are wrong?
That’s the question from which fucked up shit start to happen, but let’s take it at face value.
In that case, you can look for a segment of the minority group that aligns with your ideals (because not all of us think the same way, we’re not a collective mind) and offer them your support.
Do you encounter, say, Latinos who support Trump? Leave them alone and offer support to Latinos who are critical of Trump; We’ll know how to use your help to take actions that benefit all of us, including those who are “wrong.”
do you approve of the term “LatinX”?
Nop! Not a single bit!
I doesn’t fit the pronunciation rules of most latinamerican countries, not even Brazil. I mean, How do you “say” that? what sound does the X represents? It’s like “LatinEx”? That sounds so silly! Like a Kingdom Hearts Villain or something.
If you want to be inclusive / non-binary, you better use “Latine” (La-ti-ne). That’s how the “inclusive language” works here.
Although, I argue that “Latino” is OK either way, since you’re talking about the collective from “LATINO-America”.
Are there still more than like 5 people trying to make Latinx a thing? I thought that one kind of died out early on, but I’m not a member of that community.
thank you. i’m not latino, but it always struck me as WTF when all of a sudden “let me be offended for you” people decided they needed to “fix” an entire language’s “sexist” word that none of its speakers were ever offended by
That’s the Imperialist Mentality: “Woke Edition” for you.
It is important to understand the context of who defined it.
It was mainly defined by queer people in various Latin communities as a self descriptor. LGBT acceptance within the various Spanish speaking communities in general is nowhere near universal, which explains why adoption of Latinx isn’t a thing.
I’d only use the descriptor if I knew that a lot of people there within earshot wanted to use that description.
No, just “latin”. Drop the o or a, done
Or latine. Or just latino/a, depending on context, as is the norm in all of spanish.
Impossible. People like Jesse Lee Peterson don’t exist.
Nobody needs/wants the white liberal to speak for them, but another voice in the crowd demanding something surely can’t be a bad thing?
Depends
You’re being downvoted but the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen is white people deciding Latinx structure was the proper way of making something gender neutral in Spanish.
We can’t even fucking pronounce that in SPANISH!
But more annoyingly was that it ignored that there was already a gender neutral movement anyway that had started in Mexico that DID use something that could be pronounced: Latine structure.
Im just having fun
What a chud post.
NLG OP is kind of the cancer we all wished stayed on reddit.
One of the few people ive tagged for this. Not yet worth blocking, sojust whenever I see him post I dont interact with themTake shitposts seriously and get into fights with strangers on the internet.
Gang shit
how dare you disagree with a shitpost
How dare you shit on a disagree post
My bait is too tasty for some fish. Hooked em.
Are you trying to make me cry?I’ll have you know some people like me. 😉 do you understand the context of a baiting shitpost vs a authentic opinion? It is a shitpost community after all.
Shut the fuck up saying racist shit is just a shitpost/joke.
Go post some white power bullshit then if that’s your goal.
If you want to be racist, then just fucking do it.
Hee hee ho ho ha ha. Looks like you’re the one that’s gonna cry. I haven’t said or done anything racist. You fucking WISH I did.
You are hiding behind a joke. Which is classic racist chud behavior.
Either you need to think before you act or you are trying to be racist.
Own up to criticism or fuck off.
Hee hee hoo hoo ha ha. You need to think before you engage with a shitpost. You’re feeding me the exact meal I want. Chomp chomp chomp
Pretty easy decision to block based on annoyingness level, thanks
You are not a troll, you are a racist infiltrator. And I’m calling you out.
Oh god oh fuck oh shit. What am I going to do? Is your blood boiling yet?
Everyone should be speaking truth to power.
Isn’t that what racists say?
No
Idk about all that
You sound like a chud
I am what I eat
Modern White savior complex.
ok
Racist
He was a big fan of segregation.
I’m married to a white woman. I think advocacy for segregation is a flawed and impractical position, but, at the risk of hypocrisy, I understand and commiserate with the foundation behind the argument.
and it’s usually all wrong!
Blood over Bright Haven. A book that, among other things, is about discovering how to be a good ally.
