• Agent641@lemmy.world
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    Don’t forget the Phoenix project. 85k Vietnamese civilians assassinated or tortured to death by the CIA.

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    • Boarding Schools.
    • Eugenics, including forced sterilization.
    • Nuclear weapons.
    • Internment of Japanese.
    • Hiring of Nazis after WWII, after inspiring them before WWII.
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    I’ve never heard about the St.Louis Poisoning before… Surely it cant be yet another immoral, insane, evil program targeting black americans, right?

    Fuck

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    Ron Funches’ routine was great. “You don’t believe any conspiracy theories? Like, you just believe the government is batting 1.000 in terms of telling the truth?”

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    As bad as people hate to admit it, this is pretty much the direct cause of anti vax people and shit like it.

    The government pretty much created the problem itself by doing this stuff.

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      There is much more than that. 9/11 is not even on this list and that was a huge wake up call for millions of people. Many millions distrusted the official covid story as well, the origins of the virus.

      And the current war in iran is obviously not to prevent nuclear weapons. The strait of Hormuz is not going to open for many years. Because its intended and is part of a plan for how the worlds most important resources, like oil and fertilizer, is going to be limited in order to create massive problems in the world.

      The YouTube Predictive History channel is talking about all of this, and the video Trump World Order is a must watch.

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      Wait until you hear about al Qaeda … And depending on how far back you want to go… 1980?

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      This is why black people don’t trust doctors.

      antivax as a movement didnt come around until an asshole doctor lied about the safety of vaccines, to sell his own vaccine… and took off like a rocket when that miserable Jenny McCunthy decided it had to be vaccines, and not genetics, that caused her not to give birth to the perfect blond haired blue eyed child she deserved.

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        Narcissism and failed education leads to fascism. Who would of thought. The system we have congratulates assholery and abuse of power, so I’d say trust issues are expected.

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    Just outside of view:

    - Human Radiation Experiments, Holmesburg Prison experiments, San Quentin Prison experiments, Stateville Penitentiary Malaria Studies, Guatemala Syphilis Experiment, Ohio State Penitentiary Cancer Study, Belmont Report

    - Ludlow Massacre, Battle of Blair Mountain, Coal Wars

    - Kent State Massacre, Jackson State Killings, Orangeburg Massacre

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      A couple of those were directly profit motivated vs the government choosing to do some f’d up stuff on their own. Yeah, government stepped in, but who started the problem isn’t the same. Either way, wealthy people pushing the government to crush the peasantry for them isn’t much difference.

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    • That never happened

    • There’s no proof that happened

    • It’s more complicated than you’re describing

    • Those were just some bad actors

    • Okay, but that was under the Other Party. My Party would never do that

    • (Repeat 1. Thru 4.)

    • Okay but we’re reforming now. You should give us some credit!

    • It’s all in the past! Why do you keep bringing up Old Shit?!

    • Whataboutism

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    Mkultra is STILL treated like some nut job conspiracy theory.

    I bring it up as example of how the government will do whatever to whoever and lie for decades, fuck the consequences.

    People look at me like I’m crazy, and plenty have even straight up told me mk ulta isn’t real, is just a conspiracy, just an excuse for hippies who did too many drugs, any number of “that didn’t happen” excuses. Including “if it actually happened, we would know”. To which I responded “THEY FUCKING ADMITTED IT” and that was the end of the conversation because I cursed and therefore lost an “argument” I didn’t know I was in…

    Ohio is crazy…

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      So like, I’ve got one of those burned out hippies in my town. Who got burned out by mk ultra. And knows it. He’s a hoot and a half if you can keep him laughing. Shows up to all the concerts in town.

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        I was happy to read that he felt like he failed in his work with the CIA.

        It doesn’t excuse anything but I do take great joy in him knowing that he was a failure at his lifes work in the end. For someone like him I bet that really messed with his head.

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      it never happened because it never happened to them. so clearly it never happened.

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      There’s nothing wrong with Ohio…except the snow and the rain.

      I really like Drew Carey, and Id love to see the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

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          Seriously. Am here. Counting down until I can gtfo. Fuck this place. If I’m going to live in a right wing redneck goat rodeo, it had better have nice weather or a beach. No, lake Erie doesn’t count.

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          I think you’re the only one.

          But it’s still a band and theyve done a few albums lately and had some bangers. Getting old sucks, but they’re still fun.

          Also that cover album a couple years ago set me off on a whole pop-goes-punk phase, and I contend it’s still the best version of Flowers.

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    I read about MK Ultra, and that is some weird, fucked up shit. Also, most of the records were destroyed, so who knows what else they got up to? Fucking monsters.

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    So… a funny thing actually just happened…

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/tulsi-gabbards-office-denies-florida-lawmakers-claim-cia-raid-seizing-jfk-mkultra-docs

    CIA whistleblower testifies in Congress that the CIA basically raided the DNI (Tulsi Gabbard)'s office, to retrieve various files relating to JFK and MKUltra, that Trump had actually ordered be unsealed.

    Anna Paulina Luna corroborates this.

    Fox News (nation wide) runs a segment on this with Jesse Waters.

    Then, a bunch of people change their tune.

    Paulina Luna claims her comments were misconstrued.

    Gabbard denies that this happened.

    Jesse Waters removes this, his own segment, from his own social media.

    Gabbard’s PR person says basically ‘no, a raid did not happen on that day, but about a year earlier, the CIA did confiscate some documents from the DNI, and they still have them.’

    … at least that is my current attempt to comprehend this.

    So uh… the DNI is supposed to be in charge of the CIA.

    But, if you know anything about the CIA… they do whatever the fuck they want, to whoever they want.

    There is only a single example of someone ostensibly directly in charge of the CIA that actually attempted to reign in the CIA and hold it accountable, make it stop doing things it wanted to do.

    His brain got painted all over Dealey Plaza, in 1963.


    EDIT:

    Another thing that I am… confused, currently, by:

    How is it possible that… there exist any MKUltra documents… that could be declassified?

    In the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, in 1977, then CIA Director Stansfield Turner, explained that in 1973, the CIA Director at that time Dick Helms… ordered all the MKUltra documents to be destroyed.

    But, approximately 20,000 documents were missed by this desctruction order, mostly financial and accounting documents, still remaining in basically a forgotten annex in DC.

    To the best of my knowledge… those 20,000 documents are what comprise essentially the corpus of what has been discussed since 1977, they’re what’s been poured through to figure out who was getting paid to do what kind of work at which kind of site in whatever location, with what kinds of equipment, etc.

    So… did… did we just miss some of those, somehow?

    Or… did Turner lie to the Senate in '77… and… there were at that time, and still existing to the present currently… more documents than those which survived this supposed destruction order under Helms?

    Like genuinely, I am misunderstanding something here, or is that not the implication of ‘there do in fact exist any potentially unclassifiable MKUltra documents’?

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      Turner lied and parts of the program kept going. I’m wonder what’s going on with that one UFO guy who was trying to get a SCIF to talk to lawmakers. Subject gets dropped like a rock any time someone picks it up.