Lawmakers are once again turning up the legal heat on smart glasses. Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Ciresi (D-Montgomery) has introduced a bill that would require every pair of smart glasses “manufactured, sold, and used” in the state to have a “visual indicator” that tells others when they’re recording.

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    Again, if they are “smart”, they can be hacked. That light can be disabled, and even covered.

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      Not if the power to the recording mechanism must run through the light. There is an electrically engineered way to make sure the light must be powered on before the recording mechanism if it is wired between the power supply and the electronics.

      Nothing to hack. Just a wire/circuit and an LED.

      That’s how the iSight camera in all MacBooks work. That camera cannot be powered on without first powering on the notification LED. It’s integrated into the circuit. Powering on the camera must first power on the LED, and there is no way around that. It’s physically impossible.

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        You can still cover the LED. I don’t trust these things or the creeps that buy them. They should be illegal.

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          Not every WebCam circuitry is designed with your safety and privacy in mind.

          If it makes you feel better, cover it up.

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            I get to choose my web cam and if I cover it. I have no control over what the owner of these glasses does with them - or whatever they capture. These are practically custom made for upskirt creeps and god knows what else.

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              I was just using WebCams as a contemporaneous technological example. Not to equate the two, as they are, as you have illustrated, extraordinarily different in their contextual applications.

              These glasses creep me the absolute fuck out, and have for over a decade, ever since Google glasses first came out. I think they should just be outright outlawed, but that’s not the world we live in.

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              I agree with everything else you’ve said in this thread, but if someone is getting upskirt recordings of you with their glasses … Hopefully you’d notice.

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          If you still don’t trust it, I would recommend a Band-Aid or a sticky note… WebCams are something I happen to use every day and still find very very useful. Black nail polish is far too permanent for me.

          But you do you

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          I wanna see you do that when all the wiring is integrated into a pair of glasses. And it can’t be obvious afterwards that they were tampered with.

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              ??? not sure how you got there

              No, the issue was “can some hacker take control of my WebCam without me knowing? “

              Not if it’s wired with a notification light in the way, I have suggested.

              If you wanna hack your own device, whatever dude

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                No, not sure how you got there. The law being proposed here is meant to protect unsuspecting people from being recorded without their knowledge by creeps wearing these glasses. The hacking, nail polish and tape suggestions are all to demonstrate that the law wouldn’t actually stop those creeps because they have methods to suppress the LED, even if it’s hardwired.

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        Just cut the wire and run a new one past the light directly to the camera.

        The user owns this device and can make physical alterations.

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          If this is a nearly microscopic, integrated circuit, you understand that’s a difficult thing to master, especially if you’re trying to attack merely with software, remotely

          If this is, say, the integrated WebCam in your laptop, a piece of malware can’t exactly do what you’re proposing

          And, unless the physical owner of the device is, themselves, trying to undermine their own security, I don’t see the logic in what you’re proposing. However, it is technically possible. But that’s not exactly the point of what I’m saying.

          So, yes, as the owner of my laptop, I could undermine the security of that simple circuitry, but I have no motivation to do so. And any remote attacker would only have the resource of software to do so, and would be limited by what software could do.

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        the thing with the macbook is, that the user does not want to be recorded secretly. with meta glasses, the wearer is the recorder.

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            I don’t think malware is the concern (although it is a concern).

            The main concern spying on people in public. The light is not to inform you that it’s recording — it’s to inform others. But if it you can just rewire it or paint over it, then it doesn’t really help the technology protect other’s privacy.

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              Right, but rewiring the microcircuitry in your sunglasses isn’t some afternoon affair, and, no matter your painting skills, painting over the light will be noticeable to some degree. Not only are the technical skills for both extraordinarily rare (especially to do properly), for someone to actually try is equally rare. Perhaps moreso.

              Whi, you and I can argue back-and-forth about theoretical possibilities, the practical reality is that it’s so profoundly unlikely to ever happen, that it isn’t a reasonable thing to be concerned about. At least not right now.

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        It could still be ‘hacked’ in the truest sense of the term. Just on a hardware level instead of pure software. How hard some people will work to be surreptitious creeps should never be underestimated.

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          You know, I’m sure we’re both very intelligent people who have thought about this problem for a long time.

          Instead of arguing, I think we should both focus on energies on working towards a collective solution.

          (it sounds like a fun game of “darts“ when we both try to infiltrate each other’s systems, but played over a few drinks at a bar, some other time)

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            Hah, fooled them again! I am among the dumbest people this side of the Tordesillas line.

            That said, I’d be happy to work with you.

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              Tordesillas line

              OK, you got me with this one. I consider myself reasonably well educated, but even I had to go look this one up and do a little reading. And even though I think I got the gist a bit, I don’t think I quite understand what you meant in the context of this conversation, lol.

              I guess that, not being a European, the cultural impact of the statement is a bit lost on me— but if you were in my neighborhood in Brooklyn, and we were navigating some beef between the Tompkins Projects, Clinton Hill, and the south side of the Willy B, I’d fill you in.

              That said, I’d be happy to work with you too!

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      And existing recording devices with recording indicators can be modified too…this isn’t about covering every single edge case, this is about covering the bulk and making the rest actionable.

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        I disagree, these devices represent a new problem that go pros and other existing devices (phones) don’t - they’re pseudo-anonymous if you don’t know what to look for specifically on the eyewear, and are modded by creeps to prevent even that indicator - https://leafandcore.com/2025/10/25/meta-glasses-creep-mod-gaining-attention/

        these assholes want to creep film everywhere and say “oh no they’re just sunglasses” or “oh no it’s not recording now” then upskirting and downshirting innocent bystanders.

        fucking gross, and not the same as other existing devices where you’d have to hold it somewhere to get the shot.

        “oh but what about button spy cameras and-”

        fuck that shit, it was old school shitty lenses and terrible sensors, not high resolution eye-spy-specs from a company already proven multiple times to be happy to invade people’s privacy.

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          You don’t think that this is about making it actionable…or? Not sure what part of what I wrote you’re disagreeing with.

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            And existing recording devices with recording indicators can be modified too…this isn’t about covering every single edge case, this is about covering the bulk and making the rest actionable.

            so fucking what? just because older devices can be used by the creeps, why create new, more capable creeping devices for the creeps?

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      Sure it can. Murder is illegal, but i can still buy a gun and shoot someone. If you hack your glasses to not comply with this law, you will get whatever punishment the law prescribes.