Lol, that’s fucking hilarious.
I asked a friend who was a server what they did if the math was incorrect. He said that they used the total amount.
I’ve done this my whole life. “Math” drawn cutesy if I have time. I can art, not math.
Make each digit of the tip a number that adds up to 9 with the subtotal except for the last digit. First is 7, last digit needs to add up to a value of 10
42.17
07.83
US tip culture is so weird. I’m talking about the comments as much as the pic
what about it is weird?
our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour, and they make all their income base on tips. people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income. it does create a bit of a feast of famine in the service industry, as if you can get a lucrative dinner shift at a higher end restaurant, you can make a good living, which is otherwise in accessible to people without degrees or specialized skills.
our servers are generally paid 2-3 dollars an hour
That’s the part that is weird. And I live in the U.S.
the average wage with tips is like 20/hour, which is significantly more than minimum wage, and in some places more than double.
hence why people who work in these jobs are against the removing of tipping, because they’d make less money.
what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them. because in their ignorant opinion they ‘know better’ than these folks.
Alternately: they could be paid a living wage with menu prices to support these higher wages. This allows for a more consistent (read: reliable) income. While I have not personally worked as a server, I know enough people who have. They have “good nights” and “bad nights.”
Another affect of this is that it removes ambiguity regarding which places depend on tips and which don’t. This line has been muddied by places haphazardly adding tip prompts to their checkouts.
There’s a theme here, and that theme is consistency.
what’s hilarious is people on lemmy who probably have never worked as a server or bartender going on about tipping and restaurants like they know better than the people who work in them
Consider that the comments on this are from the customer side. The increase in places asking for tips and inflation of “suggested” tip percentages hasn’t been helping.
people who work in service industry generally prefer it, as it allows them to dodge taxes by underreporting their tip income.
Honestly, as someone who worked in the service industry … Nah not really. Also the only way you can “dodge taxes” is to not report your cash tips, everything else that’s not cash automatically gets thrown into your income because it’s all computerized now.
Most people would prefer a living wage and healthcare benefits (plus 401k, and dental and other “normal” benefits that most corpo folks get).
Like you can easily get absolutely fucked over money wise depending on what sections your waiting, if you have a big party that tries to split the bills up and avoid auto gratuity that way (common where I worked which sucked) and get screwed by the low tips on the split checks … You might just have some folks that come in and just don’t tip for whatever reason, weather is horrible so nobody comes in, etc etc.
It’s not a great way to live. Not to mention many restaurants have a culture that’s just generally exploitative so even putting all the above aside it’s not the best work environment for a lot of folks.
Not saying that all the above is true for all establishments but that’s my take and experience.
cool. my state propose a initiative to remove tips entirely two years ago, it was viciously voted down 2 to 1, and ever bartender or service person i know was violently against it because they knew their income would go down if it passed.
fwiw I voted for it.
Well I guess you and I know different people in the industry.
Also a lot of them aren’t exactly … The brightest bulbs, people vote against their own self interests all the time. That’s how we got Trump in the White House … Ugh.
I will be honest. I find that weird.
Do you underpay the shop clerks too, with the assumption that they will simply take part of the money handed to them by shopping clients?
No. shop clerks aren’t providing a personal service. they just stand there and ring you up.
That’s a service. Otherwise shops wouldn’t add self-checkout.
No, it’s not. I was a cashier for years. I was not doing any service for anyone. I was taking money from the customer and literally nothing else. The service I provided was for the store, not for the customer.
a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table. You are on your feet, moving around, putting on a show for people. that’s a lot more work than what I did. I never wanted to be a server because it I would hate to have to work so much, even if I made more money.
Hell, in Europe cashiers sit down on the job the entire shift.
a server at a restaurant takes your order, chats you up, and brings your food from the kitchen/bar to your table
gods, restaurants in the USA must be exclusive multiple-start endeavors. I thought movies were lying.
Everything you just said is weird
cool. to me it’s about as normal as drinking water from the tap.
is that weird in your country? i understand many places tap water is not potable.
I’m my country drinking tap water is as normal as paying people a living wage. We don’t usually tip, because people are payed enough already.
I’d say the only thing we seem to have in common is that people love tax evasion.
service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it’s just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.
maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.
This might be the stupidest take of the take. God damn
Wage is predetermined by contract. Getting tips is random money with no guarantees.
No idea why people defend this system. Depending on goodwill of random people is not the way to go.
OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!
or… places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it’s not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won’t pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.
good news is you don’t live here, so it’s none of your concern really.
I’ll never understand, how it can be, that I don’t get a final receipt
Like, usually, I’m saying, I’m tipping (insert whatever), then in the US I’ll hand over my card and need to trust them to put in the amount I intended to
I have no way of directly verifying
And everyone was angry at my just for asking and the poor barkeeper cried…as she didn’t understand, that it wasn’t about her…
Felt like an ass, just questioning the system
I have (intentionally) left a large tip when I’m hanging out somewhere for a long time with a low ticket value. The credit card company flags it and asks me via text to confirm that the tip is correct.
I don’t know if it’s strictly based on % or on deviations from your usual pattern.
Thankfully places in the US are slowly switching to those wireless POS terminals that are brought to the table. So many cards get skimmed when handed to servers and they leave your sight.
you keep the receipt, that way if you are charged wrongly you just sent the receipt to your CC and chargeback the restaurant.
it has happened to me a few times, maybe once every 2-3 years, the server will decide I didn’t tip enough and my 10 dollar tip becomes 100 dollars. often they can get away with this because a lot of folks never check their receipts.
you are supposed to tip based on service level. it’s entirely subjective.
0 tip for everyone. I order to go.
You haven’t provided a service. Eating alone in restaurants freaks me out :v
I’m sure you’d tip 0 if you ate in too.
That’s the thing, it’s just so much more effort
Doing some bar hopping at night and paying with card, it becomes completely impossible to really keep track, if the waiter just upped the tip
Or maybe I just was to drunk and have written poorly
It’s just a shit system, without a way to directly verify on the spot
i don’t regard it as difficult. i’ve been doing it systematically for 30+ years now, ever since I was a teenager.
It’s just more work than it should be and it can be much easier
I just don’t understand, why USA-ians always defend this system
It’s much more effort and error prone
i don’t know, why do you drink water when electrolyte drinks are superior for hydration?
Because it’s cheaper and usually not necessary to have additional electrolytes
Edit: and I’m stopping here
This is getting beyond stupid
You guys defend an inferior system, because you don’t want to change, because it was always that way
At least, that I get from your answersI can’t argue with that…
Right, and your presumption you inherently correct and an entire other culture you aren’t a part of is stupid… is not stupid and arrogant… at all.
You could look at your banking app after it’s processed.
In Europe, I usually get a receipt and can write the tip on top of that, than I’ll pay everything and get the real receipt, including the tip
Why should I even need to check into a stupid app, I don’t even want to have?
It’s just so much easier to see the real paid amount at the end
Edit: and just saying, I’ve been doing that all my life, doesn’t make it better
“That’s how we’ve always done it” is the thing that stands against progressIf a system is better, than it’s better - and we can compare
So, what I’m up to:
Maybe I’m missing something here, which makes this blind trust better in some way, but nobody told me how
I’m good at math except after more than one drink. Ngl, I really like it when the bill has a list of percentages and totals to preview. I’d like it even more if we just charged what food and labor cost and got rid of this nonsense though.
Move the decimal one place left and double it for 20%. Do it for the sub total if you prefer not to tip on tax.
Been doing this for years. I evangelize it all the time, and people still don’t understand, or they try to make it more complicated than it is. But it’s literally THIS easy, so easy. It’s not even math at this point, especially if you only double the dollar amount and ignore the change, a kindergartener could do it.
Yet people refuse to learn a “new weird way”.
You don’t have to understand it, just do it. This is literally the easiest way. I will die on this hill.
they can’t do basic arthimetic. yeah it seems super easy to you, but most folks don’t know how to multiple by 2 without a calculator. and they refuse to learn.
i’ve met people who work in mathetmatics, like stats, and still can’t do basic tipping without a phone to do it for them. it’s just something they refuse to learn or practice, mostly out of fear they will get it wrong.
I have a CS degree and a maþ minor. I will unashamedly use my phone calculator in situations like þis. Or if þere’s any rush.
What character are you using for “the”
How do you find it on phone
I saw it Iceland
Not ðe same person, but you can use an Icelandic keyboard for it. If your phone’s default doesn’t allow it, ðe FUTO keyboard app works
Don’t be that guy.
God forbid someone is different
With all my power as an random Internet peon, I hereby allow every body to be them self, however they want : enjoy and be flamboyant ! I guess with that we can say bigot are a story of the past…(trying to do a joke, hope it went well) (Keep calling people out <3)
Referred to as a thorn.
Thank you!
Well, the Roman numeral M is 1000, so this is a pretty good tip. Not sure about the rest, but hey I’ll take.
I expressed my displeasure of these tickets at a bar I work at to one of my coworkers. They then pointed out that in Toast POS you can just punch in the total bill and it generates the tip for you
TIL
Oh that’s good to know, I used to do math and then realized I’m probably being an asshole and stopped.
MATH RETURNS BABY!
Remember math? It’s back, in pog form!
Oh I remember pogs. My brother’s we’re huge into them. I was just a bit too old for that fad to hit me. I was a Garbage Pail kid!
Idk why people don’t just give whole number tips. It’s so much easier to just add $5 to something
Because it’s easier to have a flat 50 out then 47.15.
Didn’t realize my grandfather was alive and we’re still balancing checkbooks by hand
Ever heard of cash?
“keep the change” is an expression for a reason
Then you wouldn’t need to fill out a receipt like this.
GOTEEM!
Sacré bleu You mean they stopped producing do 6buck coin ? /j
FYI, most places will just use the total if there’s anything wrong with your math (assuming it’s at least what you owe) so this is perfectly valid.
Weird, the restaurant I worked at always went with the tip line if there was any discrepancy.
The addition is the hard part though, calculating the tip amount is easy. Can you write in just the tip amount and let them figure it out at the POS?
Every system I’ve used and currently use you enter the tip amount, so writing how much you want to tip is actually fine. Though I’ll usually ask for you to write in the total or ask if it’s fine if I do. Technically the cc company cares about that line in case of disputes.
But the receipt in the OP didnt have any math? They just decided on a total and wrote it down.
Phones have calculators.
People always say math when they just mean arithmetic.
As long as we aren’t talking about maths, then I’m good
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Agreed. Most people don’t realize arithmetic is actually a form of geography, and not math. True story.
For the general public that’s a distinction without a difference
Isn’t arithmetic just a subset of math? So they’re using a more generic descriptor.
It’s also better for brevity.
Yeah but for those of us who actually studied math, it’s silly. Rote arithmetic barely qualifies, you hardly even see actual numbers in math except for a handful of single digit integers for exponents, subscripts, coefficients, etc.
It’s like calling a golf cart a “sports car”.
how many people in the general population have mathematics degrees?
1.3 of undergrad degrees are in mathematics, and only about 40% of USA adults have a bachelors or higher, so about .053% of Americans have math degrees, or we can say 99.47% do not. so out of 2000 people, only 1 of them has a math degree.
The number of people who drive sports cars is also quite small, but that wouldn’t make it less silly for the general population to use the term “sports car” exclusively to refer to golf carts.
This guy arithmetics!
Sadly yes
I say maths
I say arithmetics
Found the Brit.
Perhaps they expected the server to use geometry to come up with the answer…
$7.83
My method:
- 42.17 + 8.00 = 50.17
- 8 - 1 = 7
- 0.17 - 0.02 = 0.15
- 0.85 + 0.15 = 1.00
- 0.85 - 0.02 = 0.83
My method. 0
Just order to go. Eating at home is comfier
Three cents to $42.20
Eighty cents to $43.00
Seven dollars to $50
Seven eighty-three!
Jesus brother, what the hell
What’s the problem with this method? I figure out tips through mental math, without any paper. This is just explaining how I do that mental math
Yeah you did it in the hardest way possible hahaha
Just subtract 17 from 100 to get the cents. 83. There, done. Or at least 100 - 10 - 7
I can’t do mental math that easily. I struggle with visualizing it, I think better in multiples of 5, and subtraction is more intuitive to me
Mine:
- ends in not 00, so add whatever makes the ones digit a 9 (7 in this case).
- make the cents even -> .20 (add .03)
- go to 100 (add .80)
I think, anyway. I can mostly just look at it and know.
This is how AIs do math
This is how I do mental math. Figuring out (100-15)-2 is a lot easier than 100-17
For me 100-20+3 is easier, but yeah
my method: calculator
I used to do calculators for tips, but noticed my mental acuity slipping. I started calculating tips in my head to keep myself sharp
ω?
I know that constant. It has something to do with imaginary numbers if I remember correctly. Right?
the nerdiest possible interpretation of a scribbled 00
Not that one, this ω.
Since ω > n for all natural numbers n, it’s clear that 50^ω is a very big number indeed!
