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Rip out your modem. Cars should NEVER have a modem. Ever.
The camera processes everything internally. There some build in machine learning model. It should not communicate or send anything images outside.
Of course the problem is that it’s all closed source so you can’t verify that. Cars also call 112 now automatically in case of an accident so I suspect that ripping out your modem may cause some warning lights on your dashboard which can mean you will not pass your mandatory technical revision.
So if you rip out your modem the camera will still work but you may have other issues.
In the US it’s absolutely sending that data out.
if i make an incident, someone will either call the 112 for me or i will do it, unless i am in the fucking land of no one, so the car callin the emergency number is straight up useless
I didn’t say it’s useful or not. I said that cars have it. It’s mandatory in all new cars since 2018. If you disable it your car may not pass technical checks.
It wasn’t something direct to you specifically but a general comment on that BS, mb
Keep it for testing. I don’t want my car to be able to call anyone. Ever. For any reason. Notice the @infosec.pub . Trust me it’s wildly irresponsible engineering
So you will put in the modem before technical check and the take it out again? That’s a great idea. Let me know what car model you have and how do you remove the model. The more instructions like this we have the better.
I drive older cars. Ask your local car audio shop.
I think they’ve thought of that
My favorite part of all this is that motorbikes are excluded. Cars now have mandatory automated breaking and some other features like adaptive cruise control (not sure). Motorbikes have none. Why? Because bikers and bike manufacturers are pushing back saying that it will make bikes more expensive and (paraphrasing) it will ruin the fun. And so far EU is buying this. 25% of deadly accidents are bikers and most of those accidents happen during fun rides on the weekend but those accidents are fine apparently. Nothing they can do about it.
So easiest way to avoid it? Buy a motorbike. You will immediately gain protected status.
Motorcyclists are so much more likely to hurt/kill themselves in an accident, compared to car drivers who are much more likely to injure/kill someone else while only sustaining minor injuries.
I consider it a rather strong incentive to ride safely.
Furthermore, riding a bike is a much more involved activity compared to driving, which makes distracted driving a lot less likely.Maybe you’re right, but I also think the difference is due to how the EU is trying to justify this : they say their IR camera will help lower phone use while driving.
It’s very hard to use the same rhetoric against motorcycles, because you actually always need both hands to drive, making phone use far more hard and risky than with a car.
And anyway, most motorbike crashes aren’t due to inattention but mostly overspeed, which an IR camera won’t help to deal with.
Detecting phone use is just a tiny part of it. ADDW is about detecting distraction and drowsiness in general but they are also mandating speeding alerts. The car is supposed to monitor the speed limit and alert the driver when he’s driver above it. As you can imagine those systems work like shit and beep at you constantly, even when you drive below the speed limit. You also have mandatory lane assist and automated breaking. Nothing is required for bikes. So basically big chunk of fatal accidents are caused by people speeding for fun on country roads, lane splitting and doing other completely unnecessary things and EU is just accepting that.
I feel like automatic breaking on a bike would be dangerous since there is balance involved?
Yeah agreed. Go ride a bike and tell your friend to pull out the chain as you pass em and see how badly you want auto breaking on a bike lmfao. You’ll end up with bikers thrown over their bars or whipped off the side of their bike much much more often if they aren’t in control of it
I hate this
Would it be illegal to cover the camera with electrical tape?
It stops the car.
I’m thinking of a lensed device with an LCD screen behind it, something small you can put in front of the camera.
It would need a special LCD screen, but I think my privacy is worth it.
It does not stop the car, don’t be silly. It will be reported as a malfunction on the dashboard.
On the newer Ford vehicles with Adaptive Cruise Control has a driver-facing camera. If you obscure your image or otherwise hamper the camera, the ACC stops working.
Its not a full stop of the vehicle, but it prevents the user from using the thing that they paid for.
Did everyone else on the road pay to die in crashes caused by idiots using Adaptive Cruise Control to read books and zone out while driving?
It’s even possible for the car to sound alarm constantly while ADDW camera is covered making driving unbearable but it’s still has nothing to do with stopping the car.
I guess we have to remove the alarm too, i guess that we can have mod the car control unit to disable the camera without breaking anything else tho
Just change the entire computer while your at it because they may check for error codes. Make sure your custom computer will pass all security checks your car does though.
We should make a community for countrol units mods atp
Look at the Street! (Did you by chance just watch tech news?)
shh… be a bit more vague before the “L’s bad” crowd shows up
Source on this?
I heard this through the grapevine, but haven’t seen a real article about it yet.
This https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/safer-cars-safer-roads-new-rules-take-effect-2026-07-08_en does not explicitly mention “camera”, like most news articles does, but I guess the points
Advanced driver distraction warning system to keep drivers focused
and
Better forward vision
are a bit hard to implement without camera + computer vision.
But there is no requirement to send that data anywhere
Automakers collect and store all data by default. If there’s no law saying they CAN’T collect it then they’re gonna collect it.
And why would they do that?
Why wouldn’t they?
Data is a valuable commodity. I think one car company filed a patent not long ago for a system that listens to conversations in the car and then serves advertisements on the central console based on those.
Money mostly. I hear companies like making money.
To follow drivers jerking off to gay porn. The biggest fear of America.
I recently watched a few videos about people taking the modems/WiFi boxes out of their new cars to stop the constant data collection.
On one of the videos there’s a warning that if you attach your phone to your car then the car will almost certainly start to contact through the BT to ‘phone home’ again to send data that way.I’ve got no idea if any of it is all true, but with today’s data collection companies mining everything they can then I can easily believe it.
And without consent is against EU law with a €20M fine.
You’ll just sign the consent by getting in the car. They already do that for the microphones.
Will it hold up in court? We’ll only know once someone sues.
I can’t give you a source but the whole point of The Internet of Things and every product that it includes is to give data on you to someone. It’s kind of safe to assume that if one of your devices can connect to WiFi and you live in a location with representatives who are too old to even vaguely understand why that should be regulated, then you are being reported on. It’s just kind of the whole purpose of the tech in the first place. At least until the device in question has a screen, then the purpose will be to also show you an ad.
