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Hello, my name is Marc Parella and I am laughably ignorant of the entirety of human history since roughly 1880.
‘Member when people tried building there own communes outside the US and the CIA intervened.
Give it a try and tell me how it goes. “If you think you’re free, try going into a deli and urinating on the cheese”
Shoot James Brady in the back?
Communism and socialism isn’t the silver bullet everyone makes it out to be, as in practice it has always led to totalitarian (or at least highly authoritarian) regimes, which is pretty disgusting.
Capitalism is gross too, but I don’t think a realistic and appropriate solution exists.
There’s anarchism which I most approve of, but I’ll probably be gray before any country ever seriously even considers moving in such a direction.
Is it an automated answer ? Because capitalism is leading to fascist right now. And 10k élite will live in Paradise when will be enslaved by robots. I dunno, but look like can’t be worst.
Do you think it is, or are you just trying to use that to smear me? Pass it through zerogpt or some ai detector instead of randomly going “AI”.
I never said capitalism is good.
Zero comprehension.
Communism has lead to fascism too. Doesn’t mean communism is any better, smartass.
No I think you are repeating year of propaganda. Sorry if you felt compared to ai. I redpiled by propaganda for years was like that too, I see things in grey now. I dunno for communism, but starting with some kind of cooperative looks a great start. And you grouped socialisme with communisme then used defaults of communisme to discredit both, I dunno if you noticed.
Stop trying to enslave me in a world where my neighbor gets to eat! I wanna live in a world where none of us get to eat, and we work all day to maintain our poverty!
Good job, Marc, now you almost get it! You’re just a bit confused.
I actually came here to defend Marc’s clever rhet.: one of these people paid a Nazi to a status symbol. One of is still using capitalist means to aggregate solidarity.
Nothing stopping you. Well, except for the federal government and its military.
“Nothing” is definitely an interesting way to pronounce “many things”
Remember, the capitalists caused famine all over the place too!
Okay but they weren’t communist about it, so it doesnt count. Stop whining Ireland.
uproar from India, Bangladesh, The Congo, Kenya, and about 100 other countries
Yes but they’re not white so we don’t have to pretend to feel guilty about the atrocities.
There is, in fact, a lot stopping people from forming communes all over the place
Worker unions bad, police unions enforcing corporate-aligned government rules good.
Namely, capitalism.
…and if you do, hoooooo boy. I hope you like a coup, because you are going to get a coup.… or sanctions… or a blockade… or all three.
And don’t get too big or the FBI or ATF is on their way
That’s just a shitty thing to say. As if the CIA doesn’t do this work, local business owners and sheriffs won’t form a militia, or any of dozens of other federal agencies don’t put in the work murdering people for trying to share.
Is there? There are hundreds of giant worker co ops here in brazil, and I know multiple people who live in amarchist communities in the wooxds. Most of them don’t last very long, but they do try, and then stop on theirbown accord.
BTW, a giant worker co op named Aurora was responaible for slave like conditions in one of their many grape farms.
I can only really speak for the US it doesn’t seem to go over too well here, and uh, americans making a commune in south america doesn’t have a really good track record either lol
Pass the KoolAid
Oh yea! Exactly! Thing I should just make that community, because I think that if I keep waiting for the perfect design, and free time, I will just accumulate bans, hatters, and chronic diseases instead.
“Nothing stopping you” except the government. “Which government?” Most of them.
Nothing is stopping you from forming communes all over the place
The USSR, Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam famously forming unopposed. Capitalists and feudalists famously did not try to invade them and overturn their elections.
USSR
I swear, one more time I hear about this shithole being called a good example of a communist country I’m gonna obliterate someone’s crotch.
It was a fucking earth shattering dictaroship without an ounce of actual communal care and cooperation.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…I wonder if they had problems of being constantly under seige by capitalists that affected their situation? Their condition of materials, if you will.
As I said in the earlier post, they were famously never invaded so IDK someone else can figure this shit out.
Shut up tankie, we’re talking about a shithole that remained a shithole despite being extremely fucking rich in resources that could guarantee prosperity in complete isolation.
problems of being constantly under seige by capitalists that affected their situation
boohoo
I swear, one more time I hear about this shithole being called a good example of a communist country
it was a pretty good first attempt
I’m gonna obliterate someone’s crotch.
It was a fucking earth shattering dictaroship without an ounce of actual communal care and cooperation.
nah it actually had pretty sick vibes and legit community, lots of bureaucracy doesn’t wipe that out of existence. If you could give me a time machine and a passport fabricator it’s hard to imagine a better time and place to live than this place newly built: The Crowning Gem of Soviet Urban Planning (Lazdynai, Lithuania)
It was so good it left a scar on the entire post-second world sphere, which is now super conservative, America-enthusiastic and exclusively vote on libertarian parties.
Such a great fun they had they now get a PTSD when you say socialism in their vicinity.
But what am I saying, I’m just some Polish guy who now has to deal with this post-soviet national resentiment that makes it impossible to build any lasting socialist structures in my country.
Things being extremely bad when socialism is defeated is only evidence that the structure was not strong enough to last, not that it was bad at delivering for the people. The numbers are endless and clear, but summarized best by one fact: the collapse of the USSR was followed by the worst mortality crisis in human history outside of war time.
The horrors of the post-Soviet world are the horrors of the post-Soviet world. The Soviet union deserves blame for being weak enough to fall and allow therefore allow these things to happen, which is the result of deep structural problems in the USSR and rest of the socialist bloc. The USSR, obviously, was not a perfect utopia or it would not have died and millions of innocent people along with it. It was the first ever large scale attempt to build socialism, under impossibly hostile circumstances, and still achieved enormous, world-historic strides in the improvement of human life and community. To say “there’s nothing to learn, it was the devil’s work, the most evil system of all time” when you, right now, are living under its way worse successor seems ridiculous. There’s nothing contradictory about appreciating the enormous achievements of the USSR and the smaller socialist states around it while carefully studying to avoid its enormous flaws.
hop into your time machine and go back 80 years and say that to my faceWhat about the colonial control and possession of those countries before like in Asia, Africa, and the Americas? The SSRs that made it up before their revolution were just as fucked over and destroyed as Cuba, Vietnam, China, Korea, Angola, Algiers etc due to colonialism. Maybe a world built on colonialism should have been shattered, and those people should be allowed to run their own show. You think revolutions occur because people were happy before? Its the last resort of an annihilated people.
What about the colonial control and possession of those countries before like in Asia, Africa, and the Americas?
What those countries? Because I see nothing in my previous comment this could refer to.
The SSRs that made it up before their revolution were just as fucked over and destroyed as Cuba, Vietnam, China, Korea, Angola, Algiers etc due to colonialism.
Yes, that’s why you can’t just jump from a decaying broken land straight into communist paradise and call it a day. That’s just not gonna work, and that’s what Marx was really precise about. You can’t transition into a communist country without first being a very prosperous socialist country. USSR was a poor, imperialist, corrupt, and deranged authoritarian project that was producing more poor, imperalist, corrupt and deranged authoritarian satellites of big momma rassiya.
Maybe a world built on colonialism should have been shattered, and those people should be allowed to run their own show.
Sure, so what? Because that’s clearly not something USSR was striving for. DEFINITELY not the last part.
You think revolutions occur because people were happy before? Its the last resort of an annihilated people.
Once again, I’ve no idea what you’re getting at if you’re somehow referring to my previous comment
I would gladly run off and form a commune with a bunch of my like-minded friends, too bad we’re all broke workers and can’t afford even a house between us, let alone a plot of land big enough to support ourselves
Its not the cool communism unless you steal it from capitalists anyway.
True, I was just being snarky about the “just get some friends and make a commune” idea
“But if your ‘experiment’ works too well…”
To them communism is what capitalism is to us
This assigns too much legitimacy to the position. The working class are not capitalists because we have no capital with which to commit legal theft through property law or pay thugs to enforce those laws with violence.
The working class under capitalism are beholden to systems they often do not understand, cannot exercise agency within, and are actively stymied from prospering under.
Capitalism dehumanizes even those who support it. Those who support it are conditioned to reflexively demonize alternative systems. To rise above this culturally ingrained propaganda and advocate for alternatives requires seeing capitalism for what it is.
Alternative systems are to them what the bogeyman is to children.
to us
To all of us including them.
