Hopefully this kind of post isn’t too tired, but I figure it’s my turn:
Finally decided to, after absolutely refusing to upgrade to 11, make the jump from Win10 to Linux! Been hopping around distros a bit and landed on EndeavourOS last night and I’m really enjoying it so far.
It’s definitely tinkery and took me like 2 hours just to get my push to talk working in Discord (mostly due to my own lack of knowledge), but I love the level of control of everything you have (was on Pop!_OS before 🤮, edit: no hate, just wasn’t for me!)
There’s definitely never been a better time to switch and I’m very excited for when I inevitably brick my shit and come back here for help, so thanks in advance everyone! :)
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EndeavourOS is great. It’s as bare as you can get without opting for straight Arch. I bit the bullet on vanilla Arch a couple weeks ago, though, and am amazed at how easy it is to set up now.
Bonus: I can follow the Arch Wiki word for word without having to cross check things.
But I loved my time with EOS. I would probably still be using it if I hadn’t decided to fuck around with topgrade while having no idea what I was doing. The lesson of the day was just update normally… its built in for a reason.
Edit: Look up Timeshift and ALWAYS back up personal files to external. There’s a reason Arch is notorious for being unstable. Sometimes just an update can bork everything (still very rare, though).
Don’t hate on pop. They have done nothing wrong, at most it didnt sit you right
Absolutely agree, edited post. Was meant as a joke, clearly wasn’t in good taste and I apologize. It’s pretty solid, just not for me.
I appreciate the edit 👍
I’ve been hopping between different distros since 2023, but every time I come back to EndeavourOS, this distro seems to work the best for me, haven’t had any problems with this distro.
EndeavourOS club! Gorgeous blend between granular control and reasonably configured initial guardrails for a willing-to-learn new Arch user.
I played around with other distros too, before settling into this one. Haven’t looked back after 2-3 years of use so far.
That’s amazing! Why shit on Pop!_OS though? I’ve always liked it. I think it’s definitely more stable than Arch in the long term
Honestly, it seems really stable and works great, I just hate how…hand holdy it felt for me personally. I think the emoji was a little over the top. My apologies, haha. It’s totally fine for what it is, and if it works for you, that’s fantastic!
Yeah, I don’t love the aesthetic of Pop OS out of the box but with a minimal set of GNOME extensions I really like it. Which actually, is the case for me on vanilla GNOME too.
I’d like to be an Arch person, but on the only device I’ve used it on, I’ve had some major breakages happen a couple of times. Took months for the issues to get resolved. Which honestly, as hard as software is, let alone OSes, is a great track record. Most teams could only keep stability specifically with these long/major release schedules like everyone else essentially does it.
Right now, I still have Windows as dual boot in case things go sideways or I run into road blocks with work, but my plan is to move all of that to a VM in the near future (and ideally an actual work supplied machine with a KVM eventually). At that point, I could see myself falling back onto something like Pop!_OS as a stable side install if/when my main OS is having issues and I just want to play a game and not bash my head against a console for 5 hours.
Sorry to be so seemingly unfair to Pop OS, what it does it does do quite well, just not for me as a main driver.
Gotcha. I don’t think you are being unfair.
yeah; I also use Pop!_OS and like it. I’m curious about the reasoning here
I don’t think I’ve really seen it hated on much
The only thing I don’t like about it is being behind on gnome since their DE is a forked older version of gnome afaik. Especially for recent gnome extensions, it’s not always the most amenable. But mostly even on that front it’s workable
Arch is plenty stable
I think it’s very stable for what it is. But I still had it break remote desktop, wifi functionality, and something about graphics that caused weird glitches in Firefox. These issues all took months to fix, each. For most tech savvy people it’s probably stable enough but for the less common hardware, the only reason I could keep using and updating it was by leveraging timeshift. I would update everything, test if my issue was solved, see it still present then rollback. I did that process dozens of times.
I have never had anything in Arch take months to fix. One tip I would have is to use both the latest kernel and an LTS. If something “breaks” with a kernel module, just boot into LTS and it is probably fine there. I also had an issue with WiFi for about a week but a quick reboot into LTS and I was good to go immediately. When I tried the latest kernel two weeks later, it had been fixed there. Something similar happened with my FaceTimeHD camera. Same solution.
Hmm, I’m not aware of those tracks or how they work. I only really was able to install arch from a specific guide because the device is a raspberry pi 5
Welcome to your GNU/Linux jounery.
Before you distro hop again, take your time exploring the os and terminal it will make installing the real arch linux easier.
EndeavourOS is the real Arch, with some additional repos and some sensible defaults.
What makes an Arch system an Arch system is the repos, the package manager and the fact that you installed it yourself.
Anyone giving you support will expect you to be able to answer a couple of questions about your system based on the fact you yourself configured it.
With EndeavourOS, even if you have the exact same repos, it still wouldn’t be an Arch system.
And now get off my lawn!Archinstall: Exists Someone: ArCh iS WhEN yOu iNStaLl It yOUrsELf.
In other words, this statement is bullshit.
Or Archinstall is bullshit ;)
I mostly agree with this. If you’re asking for help on an Arch forum, I think it’s fair to expect you know how your system is installed and configured. However, we know many use EndeavourOS (or Archinstall) to avoid having to configure their system. Forums provide free support; I think it’s fair they get a say in what issues they don’t want to deal with.
Imagine gate keeping Linux, the irony…
There is no irony.
Gatekeeping Linux distros has been a time-honored tradition since 1993.Fuck that. The Linux gate is wide open! Anyone that wants to use Linux, come on in!
And for your own sake: use anything but Ubuntu and their buggy Snaps.
Try saying that on the Arch forums and see what they think about that statement.
Whatever. Why should anyone even go to their forum and ask their opinion on EndeavourOS (or other Arch-based distros) when their community is known for its toxicity?
Ever tried asking in Ubuntu forums for help for Mint, Pop or any other derived distribution?
It might be toxic but I understand if people that donate their free time to help others get tired of being asked for help for problems that were caused by the offspring distribution. I did not follow it nowadays but back in the days this was the same with Manjaro which caused issues every now and then by holding back some upgrades.
It’s not about opinion, it’s about the fact you can’t go to the Arch forums in case you are running into issues while running Endeavour. Whether that’s an issue or not is up to the user.
This is not a big problem, there are plenty of forums, and EndeavourOS itself has a great community.
I don’t think they’re saying it as a problem or trying to argue with you, just stating reality 😅
I know, I’m just saying.
You can, you just have to obfuscate the fact that you’re running EndeavourOS and they’ll be none the wiser
I don’t think many people on the Arch forums have that outlook on EndeavourOS. It is Arch with benefits
Arch users do not consider EOS as Arch but it absolutely is.
EndeavourOS uses the vanilla Arch kernels, the vanilla Arch repos, and the AUR. There are only a handful of packages in the EOS repos and the majority of them are theming or utils that are what you would use on Arch as well (like yay and paru). There are a few quality of life utils that are totally optional and most EOS users are probably not even aware of. Plus, I suppose, the EOS keyring and a couple of packages so that the distro identifies as EOS instead of Arch. Distro identification is the only thing that “overrrides” anything in the Arch repos.
I describe EOS as an opinionated Arch installer with sensible defaults. Once installed, it is just Arch.
It is trivial to revert EOS to vanilla Arch if you want to. I don’t think it even requires a reboot.
These boards are for the support of Arch Linux, and Arch ONLY. If you have installed Archbang, Artix, Chakra, EndeavourOS, Evo/Lution, Manjaro, Whatever, you are NOT running Arch Linux. Source
God what a toxic post
Welcome to the Arch forums :D
No hoping needed anymore once you landed on a Arch base!
I agree, but I must say that with the Archinstall script it’s a breeze nowadays.
Welcome aboard, I also first started with beginners friendly distro (around 1 years ago), Fedora is my first ever distro then I started distro hopping and landed on vanilla Arch, that’s what I’m stick with until now
helpful if you want to install arch without endeavor ☞ Archfi and Archdi - Two bash scripts for Arch Linux Installation by OldTechBloke
somebody on lemmy regularly posted videos of OldTechBloke while they’re archiving the channel on peertube.
Interesting. I made the equivalent of this for installing Arch on raspberry pi 5. Maybe I should make them public.
DistroTube has a similar project going as well, DTOS. I’m not sure if it’s actually up and available but it looks promising for a similar target audience. https://youtu.be/FA__ScVhGQA
Why use this instead of just archinstall? I’ve been using Arch for many years but I have used archinstall for at least the last few years and it always goes smoothly.
I’ve always sworn by Arch builds. Built one up from scratch back in college ten years ago, and this past winter I decided I wanted to try a linux box again. After a bit of distro hopping I settled on CachyOS, but Endeavor caught my eye too.
Shit breaks, but fixing it is a learning experience. Small price to pay in exchange for the customization it offers.
Shit breaks but when it does there is a well documented wiki to help you fix it rather than multitude of vaguely related ubuntu forum posts
Ugh I still run Ubuntu LTS on my living room HTPC, and generally it’s fine. But on the occasion I need to fix something, I swear every seemingly relevant forum post is from 2015 or earlier. It’s maddening.
I test-ran EndeavourOS for a future PC and like it. I am a Steam gamer though, so my work’s cut out for me in getting it to work on whatever hardware I choose.
You just have to install steam, haha. I got CS2 up and running in 10 minutes 😝
Steam works absolutely perfectly on EndeavourOS. No tweaking or anything required, just install and run. It also runs just about any game I ever tried, with troubleshooting as easy as choosing a different version of Proton from the dropdown.
Another confirmation that Endeavour is great with Steam. However I did have to follow the Arch wiki to install the correct Mesa drivers on my new PC (Radeon RX 7800 XT), as without those the GPU performance was crap.
Can confirm EOS works beautifully with Steam and has done for all the years I’ve used it.
If you were a non-steam gamer you’d have a little extra work cut out for you, but steam literally runs natively
