Bye

You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.

Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance’s top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world, and while I won’t give you the personal satisfaction of having won, you’ve definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.

Even people around here I’d interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves. That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, and violent rhetoric.

Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I’m done with this place.

I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren’t me actually want a place that’s not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.

Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users, and lead harassment, brigading, and DARVO campaigns against those who dare call out their bullshit or decide to disassociate themselves and their work from them.

Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named’s admins were calling for the death of LW’s admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they ‘caught’ and should be killed.

.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.

“We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it.” they probably said.

Bullshit.

I’m one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what’s right and deal with the blowback, so can you.

Fuck lemmy world’s admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.

Nah, fuck this whole place. I’ve let too many things fall by the wayside IRL because of dealing with all this fediverse bullshit and trying to give it the slightest bit of polish both visually and atmospherically. Mythbusters may have proven that you can, in fact, polish a turd, but at the end of the day, it’s still a shiny ball of shit.

For the few people left who didn’t turn out to be psychotic, I’ll think of you from time to time when recalling something you’ve posted or commented that genuinely made me laugh, made me think, or otherwise put a smile on my face or in my heart.

Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.

P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you’re welcome.



EDIT: forgot to add:

EDIT2:

Removed the link to the original message because the douche included a Javascript on the page to DDOS Dbzero0

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    The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.

    The fediverse shouldn’t need A savior. It should be its own thing that no one person can control or stop.

    Maybe this… Maybe this is the fediverse healing? 🥹

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        I do find it funny, that despite claiming he’s moving on from here, he still takes time to downvote people who call out his actions. https://lemvotes.org/comment/lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/27287239

        Hey Pug, I thought you were leaving this place? Can’t quite let someone you hate get away with being correct?

        Sorry I call out your actions, are you sure you’re not the teseract dev? You hate when people document your actions and crash out when people do.

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          Hey Pug, I thought you were leaving this place? Can’t quite let someone you hate get away with being correct?

          Sorry for coming back to check on a ping, I know my constant posting is unchanged from my previous usage.

          I’m also sorry that you’re assmad over being called out, with evidence, on your utter bullshit. :)

          And shit, you talk about me constantly. I’m your number one obsession. If I insisted on responding every time you said stupid bullshit about me, I’d have twice the comment count I actually do, lmao.

          Sorry that your obsession isn’t mutual, sweetheart.

          Sorry I call out your actions, are you sure you’re not the teseract dev? You hate when people document your actions and crash out when people do.

          It’s particularly amusing since I actually backed up my claim with evidence, while your claim of “stalking” amounts to a handful of downvotes over the course of a single day.

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          Downvoting a handful of comments is stalking, while this is just normal non-obsessive behavior, eh?

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            And even after he’s gone, he still is downvoting people here. He just can’t leave the place he said he’s leaving. I guess he has more transphobia and genocide to defend.

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                Admiral Patrick and PugJeuss are the smae person effectively. Both hate actions being called out.

                By the way, SmugJesus replied to St Elesewere and said Ada is lying about him. He knows you and Ada can’t rebuke him, so he replies only to people who can’t read his messages to prove him wrong.

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                  Admiral Patrick and PugJeuss are the smae person effectively. Both hate actions being called out.

                  Sorry for providing evidence of your bullshit, lmao. I know you hate evidence.

                  By the way, SmugJesus replied to St Elesewere and said Ada is lying about him. He knows you and Ada can’t rebuke him, so he replies only to people who can’t read his messages to prove him wrong.

                  I have literally spoken directly to Ada several times on the issue, and her response was to block me. Sorry that not everyone is a coward like you. :)

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                  A tip of the hat ol’ Eugene Debs as per always. You’ve also always been a good egg, friend.

                  He will never admit that he is transphobic by dictating that transness has to fit his definition of it.

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                    Never have, never will. There’s a reason why Blahaj is hated by transphobes and the tankies of Hexbear. They don’t let bad faith actors dictate how to organize.

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              He has a narrow definition of transness and harassed the community over a trans person ostensibly feeling “unwelcome” because of the existence of people like, Drag the dragon fucker, who wanted to be referred to by Drag’s name, Drag, only.

              Essentially transphobic to certain subsets of the trans community.

              Refused to respect it and caused a shitstorm and now says people lie about it.

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                Isn’t drag just trolling? Drag’s the alt account of another, more prolific user apparently lacking any of the same… would zoophilic tendencies be the right phrasing when speaking about a sapient, fictional species? Either way, I just hope people feel safe on blahaj when all is said and done.

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                  I dunno Drag always seemed sincere to me, and perhaps Drag was outed as a troll later on (I haven’t seen Drag in a long time, maybe that’s why), but really what it comes down to is having basic respect for people instead of instantly deciding they must be a troll because of their neopronouns. Ada isn’t about people making snap judgments with no evidence and Drags neopronouns were just as valid as anyone else’s.

                  Even now, not knowing if Drag is a troll or not, it’s still worth respecting on the off chance Drag’s not a troll and just a weirdo.

                  A post from Ada two years ago summing it up:

                  https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173

                  I’ve been waiting until after Christmas day to make this post, but some of our communities recently have had a lot of noise and upset over someone that uses neopronouns that most people are unfamiliar with.

                  So I want to make this clear. A persons pronouns are to be respected. This is true when the user is using neopronouns that you’re unfamiliar with. It’s true even if you think someone is trolling. Pronouns are not rewards for good behaviour. They aren’t only to be respected when you like the person you’re interacting with, or if their pronouns “make sense” to you. Trolls, spammers, twitter users, it doesn’t matter who they are, your options are to respect their pronouns, or to not engage with them.

                  I really want to re-iterate the importance of this. Gender diverse folk are undermined, invalidated and questioned at every step of our lives. As a community, we need to be working to undo that, not creating more of it, and that means there is no space for treating pronouns (including neopronouns) as a reward for good behaviour.

                  This isn’t a free reign for trolls and spammers. The rules still apply. Trolling, spamming, etc will continue to be dealt with, but it’s not an excuse to act as if respecting someones pronouns is optional.

                  Pug couldn’t handle this basic request for decency. *shrugs

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                    That is my perspective as well. It’s worth neither the time nor energy to try to parse drag’s deal. People come in too many shapes and sizes to constrain your perspective. Drag is, at worst, a useful litmus test. However, this does read a bit like Kassandra’s prescience.

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                    Pug couldn’t handle this basic request for decency.

                    And still can’t, and still insists Ada is evil for blocking him. Very pathetic behavior.

                    Still waiting for when he leaves, like how Admiral Patrick said he was leaving a year ago.

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                    Pug couldn’t handle this basic request for decency. *shrugs

                    Again, I never failed to use Drag’s pronouns, nor did I object to the neopronouns used. In fact, Drag never gave me any guff about acknowledging dragons, and likewise, I never bothered Drag about it. It was always unrelated people insisting that I had to acknowledge the reality of dragons existing, or else be transphobic.

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              Because I, while on a non-Blahaj instance and having not used any Blahaj comms in months, opined that while I would use anyone’s neopronouns, including Drag’s, and had no interest in getting into an argument with anyone about their gender, I didn’t think dragons were real.

              To Ada, that was ban-worthy.

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                I thought that was it. Yeah, Ada definitely defends her site with a level of zeal. She mellowed out as potential community issues dwindled, but was contemporaneously doing what beehaw hoped to do. Building a safe space in a semi-open system.

                If someone wants to make up pronouns and act like a goof, they’re protected under the same system by design. Questioning is perceived as an attack in a safe space. Fundamentally, she wants everyone at blahaj to feel 200% safe. Real? Fake? Not anyone’s business. Just be and allow others to be.

                Finally making my way to my point, most people don’t need to be in a safe space. Pointing out that someone’s manner of being isn’t conducive to the perpetuation of a safe space is really not much of a takedown and I’m not sure why the user above feels like it is.

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          Yet another consequence of people in positions of petty authoritarianism thinking they know better and get to decide what’s best for a community.