Long ago I learned in an economics class that business is all about exploitation of underprivileged populations. From indigenous people to slaves to poor citizens to “third-world” countries.
Corporations are running out of people to exploit globally, so the idea of infinite artificial labor is the holy grail of cost optimization.
Most of the shit going on right now can be explained by fatcats in the West, having run out of Economic growth to capture as the West’s growth rate pretty much collapsed (quite possible due to the very actions those fatcats during the Neoliberal era, were amongst other things Social Mobility collapsed), have increasingly started pillaging the wealth and productive capacity of the rest of society, or in other words, exploiting everybody else.
It’s a vicious cycle were the tightening of the screws on everybody else leads to lower productivity and higher discontent which in turn leads to further tightening of the screws on everybody else in order for the elites to keep on getting wealthier at the same rate.
AI was supposed to be a way for the fatcats to be able to extract even more wealth from the rest whist having less exposure to all those pesky natural human and societal responses to that.
Its a problem, don’t get me wrong, but the real fuck up was they decided they decided they needed gains on the wealth increase rate also. It wasn’t enough to just “make money”, they HAVE to constantly make MORE making money every turn.
Making 10% profits (or whateber) ever quarter was no longer good enough, they needed to increase profits every quarter too, 10%, 11%, 13%, the line going up, must also go up at a going up rate.
AGI you mean? IDK It’s arguably here. They’re senile, though. Working with a senile genius is the best way I can put it, I think. Is it “people?” IDK fuck if I know. How could we ever really know?
I don’t really know what AGI means, I guess. If we’re talking about something that benchmarks as high as the average human, we’re way, way past that. If we’re talking about something that benchmarks as high as experts in all areas, we’re not there, but we’re not that far off. When connected to the internet? It’s basically there.
They’re literally solving problems that humans haven’t been able to. They ARE capable of novel concepts, to whatever degree. No offense but y’all seem like your knowledge is like three years old.
If we’re talking about something that benchmarks as high as the average human
Well my calculator can solve a random nine digit number to the power of another random nine digit number faster than any human can, so I guess calculators have been AGI for decades!
They’re literally solving problems that humans haven’t been able to.
If you actually read instead of continuing to spam bullshit you would know this isn’t true.
You say “haven’t been able to”. This is fucking false my dude. At best it’s solved problems humans haven’t been bothered to solve yet. The solutions already existed and it assembled them into a proof.
I don’t really know what AGI means
You don’t know what any of this means dawg. You are literally just saying shit that you heard other people say.
Have you interacted with Fable? It scored on ARC AGI 3 and is pretty dang impressive at everything I’ve thrown at it. They’re solving problems humans haven’t. They’re just senile. Also is calling something “arguable” really an assertion? More of a headscratcher than a real question, I suppose.
is calling something “arguable” really an assertion?
Yes. “Arguably unicorns exist” is me asserting there exist legitimate arguments for unicorns existing. By saying it this way I get to imply they exist without having to provide any real arguments myself, and if anyone attacks my position I can fall back to “I’m not saying they do exist, just implying there are other people who think they exist without providing any sources or arguments actually supporting that claim.”
I’m guessing we have different definitions of “solving” and “humans haven’t”.
I’ve never seen any evidence that LLMs can extrapolate into truly novel problem spaces. Can problems be “solved” though interpolation? Sure but not likely novel ones.
I notice here the distinction between “haven’t” vs. “can’t”.
Claiming that LLMs can be useful in solving some problems that humans simply haven’t bothered to spend time looking at more deeply is one thing, but turning around and using those solutions - which may genuinely be low-key exciting and even useful for some practical purposes - is not the same thing as representing evidence that the LLM has reached AGI status, let alone being up to the “very stable senile genius” level.
Apples to oranges, except I note that where hype was needed for profits, somehow statements that vaguely look correct (if you don’t delve too deeply) were found and provided. i.e., LLMs might not have reached the level of intelligence of an actual mathematical genius, senile or otherwise, but perhaps it has reached the intelligence level of an average techbro⁉️ (who again only values the appearance of correctness and doesn’t let little things like “facts” get in the way of their statements!)
never said it would. I’m asserting that by the time AI gets to the point where its as useful as humans, it’ll inherently be as deserving of autonomy and freedom as we are. which brings you back to being required to pay a living wage.
That’s not true. Mythos annihilated everyone’s benchmarks and now the other companies are all distilling it. They’re solving equations that people haven’t solved, and they weren’t meant to do that. Mythos apparently is designing drugs even though it wasn’t trained with that in mind at all. Anthropic launched an entire pharma wing. It looked like things had plateau’d there for a minute but it’s back to becoming more real.
You are using these to solve the novel research problems no one else has solved?
Or you are using them to solve problems you don’t know how to solve?
The things you’re saying are marketing hype. Point me to the scientific journal where Claude is credited as a co-author of a research paper.
Ive also read these articles. I also use LLMs every day. I’m working on building closed agentic loops right now. I think I’m pretty on top of the current state of the art here.
The truth is much more nuanced and much less exciting than you think it is.
Long ago I learned in an economics class that business is all about exploitation of underprivileged populations. From indigenous people to slaves to poor citizens to “third-world” countries.
Corporations are running out of people to exploit globally, so the idea of infinite artificial labor is the holy grail of cost optimization.
Most of the shit going on right now can be explained by fatcats in the West, having run out of Economic growth to capture as the West’s growth rate pretty much collapsed (quite possible due to the very actions those fatcats during the Neoliberal era, were amongst other things Social Mobility collapsed), have increasingly started pillaging the wealth and productive capacity of the rest of society, or in other words, exploiting everybody else.
It’s a vicious cycle were the tightening of the screws on everybody else leads to lower productivity and higher discontent which in turn leads to further tightening of the screws on everybody else in order for the elites to keep on getting wealthier at the same rate.
AI was supposed to be a way for the fatcats to be able to extract even more wealth from the rest whist having less exposure to all those pesky natural human and societal responses to that.
Its a problem, don’t get me wrong, but the real fuck up was they decided they decided they needed gains on the wealth increase rate also. It wasn’t enough to just “make money”, they HAVE to constantly make MORE making money every turn.
Making 10% profits (or whateber) ever quarter was no longer good enough, they needed to increase profits every quarter too, 10%, 11%, 13%, the line going up, must also go up at a going up rate.
They just accelerated it and fucked everyone.
and what will likely happen is when they finally develop it, suddenly that thing deserves to not be exploited.
Nah. I haven’t seen a convincing argument that gen AI is going to coalesce from this shit show.
AGI you mean? IDK It’s arguably here. They’re senile, though. Working with a senile genius is the best way I can put it, I think. Is it “people?” IDK fuck if I know. How could we ever really know?
That “IDK” is doing some heavy lifting.
arguably, too? so maybe it’s actually like, a reasonable statement? and not the assertion y’all are pretending it is?
M not trying to be super rude here but the truth is, It’s arguable if you argue with people who don’t know any better. So in that sense, sure.
When it comes to people that take these things seriously, it’s not a really a very hot topic. We’re clearly nowhere near AGI.
Really good LLM != AGI
I don’t really know what AGI means, I guess. If we’re talking about something that benchmarks as high as the average human, we’re way, way past that. If we’re talking about something that benchmarks as high as experts in all areas, we’re not there, but we’re not that far off. When connected to the internet? It’s basically there.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ai-disproves-a-decades-old-mathematical-idea-the-biggest-conjecture-that-the-tech-has-played-a-role-in-yet-180989189/
They’re literally solving problems that humans haven’t been able to. They ARE capable of novel concepts, to whatever degree. No offense but y’all seem like your knowledge is like three years old.
Well my calculator can solve a random nine digit number to the power of another random nine digit number faster than any human can, so I guess calculators have been AGI for decades!
If you actually read instead of continuing to spam bullshit you would know this isn’t true.
You say “haven’t been able to”. This is fucking false my dude. At best it’s solved problems humans haven’t been bothered to solve yet. The solutions already existed and it assembled them into a proof.
You don’t know what any of this means dawg. You are literally just saying shit that you heard other people say.
LOL. That’s quite a bold assertion.
Have you interacted with Fable? It scored on ARC AGI 3 and is pretty dang impressive at everything I’ve thrown at it. They’re solving problems humans haven’t. They’re just senile. Also is calling something “arguable” really an assertion? More of a headscratcher than a real question, I suppose.
Yes. “Arguably unicorns exist” is me asserting there exist legitimate arguments for unicorns existing. By saying it this way I get to imply they exist without having to provide any real arguments myself, and if anyone attacks my position I can fall back to “I’m not saying they do exist, just implying there are other people who think they exist without providing any sources or arguments actually supporting that claim.”
That says a lot more about you than it says about LLM’s
Citation needed.
I’m guessing we have different definitions of “solving” and “humans haven’t”.
I’ve never seen any evidence that LLMs can extrapolate into truly novel problem spaces. Can problems be “solved” though interpolation? Sure but not likely novel ones.
Techbros always exaggerate the claims.
I notice here the distinction between “haven’t” vs. “can’t”.
Claiming that LLMs can be useful in solving some problems that humans simply haven’t bothered to spend time looking at more deeply is one thing, but turning around and using those solutions - which may genuinely be low-key exciting and even useful for some practical purposes - is not the same thing as representing evidence that the LLM has reached AGI status, let alone being up to the “
very stablesenile genius” level.Apples to oranges, except I note that where hype was needed for profits, somehow statements that vaguely look correct (if you don’t delve too deeply) were found and provided. i.e., LLMs might not have reached the level of intelligence of an actual mathematical genius, senile or otherwise, but perhaps it has reached the intelligence level of an average techbro⁉️ (who again only values the appearance of correctness and doesn’t let little things like “facts” get in the way of their statements!)
Oh the frontier models definitely can, now.
https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/openai-says-its-unreleased-astra-model-solved-10-hard-math-problems-anthropic-claims-fable-cracked-5-2962067-2026-08-03
These are not novel problems, this isn’t a real source and this has nothing to do with AGI.
Literally starts with “OpenAI says” lol
If you want to learn more about what’s really going on here:
https://sciencereader.com/ai-mathematics-breakthrough-hossenfelder/
never said it would. I’m asserting that by the time AI gets to the point where its as useful as humans, it’ll inherently be as deserving of autonomy and freedom as we are. which brings you back to being required to pay a living wage.
My point is, I don’t believe the current AI tech is going to get to the point where it’s as useful as humans.
We have long since reached the point where diminishing returns make significant improvements or advancement unfeasible.
yes, we’re talking about different things.
That’s not true. Mythos annihilated everyone’s benchmarks and now the other companies are all distilling it. They’re solving equations that people haven’t solved, and they weren’t meant to do that. Mythos apparently is designing drugs even though it wasn’t trained with that in mind at all. Anthropic launched an entire pharma wing. It looked like things had plateau’d there for a minute but it’s back to becoming more real.
This is the same old hype really.
Yes, there are things which todays generation of AI is good at, including medical research.
That’s not an indicator of general intelligence.
Really good at some stuff = AGI bro.
You gotta look at the benchmarks bro.
Just one more generation bro. I swear it’s almost AGI bro.
This guy has made a half dozen comments within a half hour just oozing AI silliness.
What is it bad at, now? I was using math and biology because those were two things it wasn’t good at, and now is.
You are really missing a lot of context here. None of this is true in the way you seem to think it is.
You are mixing up marketing hype with reality.
Uh no. I use these things every day. There is a marked and notable improvement that is happening.
You are using these to solve the novel research problems no one else has solved?
Or you are using them to solve problems you don’t know how to solve?
The things you’re saying are marketing hype. Point me to the scientific journal where Claude is credited as a co-author of a research paper.
Ive also read these articles. I also use LLMs every day. I’m working on building closed agentic loops right now. I think I’m pretty on top of the current state of the art here.
The truth is much more nuanced and much less exciting than you think it is.
https://youtu.be/JWxcCCVJ1aU