Probably should update the post with the Bethesda apology
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicfallout/comments/1vq5k38/comment/p4a86lz/
Bethesda or microsoft?
Neither, this time it was one of those stupid third parties they hire to try and search for infringing content.
How many decades has Bethesda been dogshit?
I mean I loved TES and I am praying they just re-release Sjyrim 87 more times rather than destroy the series by touching it again.
Since 1995 with The Terminator: Future Shock. All the well known bugginess of a Bethesda game goes at least that far back.
We thought all the game companies in the past were great because we weren’t as in tune to what were bad practices, skullduggery, and just generally shitty behavior. Bethesda has always released bug riddled messes of games, just that community modding and the time frame they came out there weren’t many like that. Companies have always wanted to make money and did whatever they could to get it.
Bethesda has been dogshit long before people are willing to admit, yes I’m talking about that game. Yep. that one is trash too and riddled with bugs that reek of incompetence.
Kudos on their writing team(s) though
I would say their writing is also absolute shite. The whole concept of a “dragon break” in Elder Scrolls is just a mechanism to retcon their own stories because they’ve been making them so long that it’s too much work to make them consistent and avoid stepping all over previous storylines.
Always.
They’ve just always gotten a free pass because of second hand credit from all the incredible modding that happens on their games.
If their games were not moddable, and they did not have a community to rely upon having done billions and billions of dollars in free work and labor for them, Bethesda as a company would have probably died 20 years ago.
awful awful awful take. do you not know how many people bought morrowind, oblivion, fallout 3, skyrim, and fallout 4 on console? where modding doesnt happen fyi
This is about fallout 1 and 2 bud
so why are people bringing up bethesda then?
So bethesda didnt file a DMCA then?
no, tracer did
Nope, no one does, because Bethesda doesnt share sales data per platform.
also modding on skyrim and fallout 4 and starfield very much does happen via creation club.
and if modding wasnt that essential to bethesda games, they wouldnt have spent the time and effort to try to get modding on consoles
people played skyrim for years on 360 and Playstation long before mods came along.i really have to question if you were even around when that game released
Son, I’ve been playing games since before the intellivision and the 2600.
and your defensiveness does not change the fact that, if bethesdas games were not heavily and freely moddable, that they would not be where they are today. Their company gained major fame and their games massive longevity and significantly increased sales from the achievements of the free labor of modders.
damn youre old 😂
sure mods played a part, but not as significant a chunk you suggest otherwise they wouldnt have been popular to console players at all
the massive modding environment has been massive contribution to the games fame, the companies fame, and word of mouth, which would have definitely driven console sales.
Probably always, but I like to think that the company that gave me Arena and Daggerfall wasn’t dogshit yet.
Daggerfall is free last I checked.
Take some time to check out someone playing daggerfall with a bunch of graphics mods. It doesn’t have to look like a fried potato
Yep, it is free. I am actually fine with the OG graphics because of nostalgia, but I wouldn’t expect someone that didn’t love the original to do so.
uhh none?
EDIT: Bethesda stepped in and rescinded the DMCA. Was made by Tracer without Bethesda’s knowledge. Bethesda was not the bad guy. Original comment below.
Should just ignore it. What’s Bethesda going to do about it?
Honestly I wouldn’t even be surprised if this is AI overzealously abusing DMCA, which is hyper-omega-turbo-common nowadays. It came from Tracer, not Bethesda, so this is the most likely explanation. The ONLY thing they could ding the guy on is MAYBE trademark infringement, but then he can just change the name from fo2 to something else and no problems. I don’t see why he cant just do that.
I also don’t see why him serving is important to the story for any reason other than sympathy points. Whether he was serving in a war or not is irrelevant to how erronious the DMCA abuse is. The abuse is just as bad either way.
What’s Bethesda going to do about it?
They could try invading Ukraine. All my Russian acquaintances assure me it’s quick and easy.
In and out, three days max.
They could ask Ford for tips on raising their own crack squad of private enforcers, to send over there!
Ford or Hasbro. The secret is the same:
Makes me think of a recent Davie504 video where he said he got a copyright notice for playing “the sound of silence” when what actually happened was he joked he was going to and then played a muted video of him playing the bass. Actual insanity.
Military behind lines can be pretty important because of delays in them receiving notices and their ability to do anything about it. Pretty much every legal notice gets a timeframe before things occur. Usually something like a month is sufficient, but for someone in military service, who have arguably the best excuse to not be able to do regular things for a whole month, the usual polite way to go about things is to wait for them to return home, and historically, courts have thrown out cases for people who didn’t do that, because it wasn’t a reasonable amount of notice.
No idea about the legalities of this particular case, but it is extra rude, getting a court date and losing by default for not showing up when you didn’t show up because another part of government mandated you be on a battlefield.
As per usual: fuck Bethesda.
What’s the DMCA got to do with Ukraine? The US legal code doesn’t have worldwide jurisdiction, despite what they may think.
With Ukraine nothing, with google play where this emulator is published obviously a lot, also bigger services even local often comply with DMCA requests even if they aren’t required to honor them or take any action by law.
Have you seen the trade deals the us is trying to push on countries?
“Deal” is about as honest as the current US monarch.
As per the reddit post it’s Tracer, a copyright enforcement company working on behalf of Zenimax and Bethesda, not Bethesda directly. I would be surprised if this was intentional because there is nothing but bad PR to gain. It’s probably just a false positive.
It’s always annoying how “it’s just a contractor/company working on their behalf” is used as an excuse.
No, this is on Bethesda.
They hired this copyright troll and they’re responsible for fraudulent DMCA requests sent on their behalf.They have enough money to either vet their contractors, or do the job themselves.
This is not an excuse. I was adding nuance to the claim made in the title. I also don’t disagree that Bethesda is ultimately responsible for the contractors it hires, and if Tracer made an erroneous DMCA request, Bethesda should take responsibility for correcting it. However, given Bethesda’s previous treatment of similar projects like Daggerfall Unity and OpenMW, I think a simple error is a more plausible explanation than the company being a copyright troll or an intentional action by Bethesda.
Absolutely this. I wish I could say I thought higher of Bethesda than employing copyright trolls, but unfortunately I guess I’m not surprised.
This, no amount of contractual deniability can absolve from responsibility for subcontractors action.
oh stop your outrage, saying that it was a contractor is just context, not an excuse.
“It’s just a false positive” while a regular person has their life fucked up. Whether it’s first party or another company hired to do the job, these giant companies don’t deserve any grace when they abuse DMCA.
Bethesda pro Russia kinda tracks.
What if devs would publisch their stuff via torrent?
Even if the traffic of the torrent protocol is peer-to-peer,
there have to be central nodes managing all that unfortunately. This is why DMCA notices are also successful with torrent providers.Without anyone providing that central node, no torrent works.One of the major weaknesses of bittorrent.
Edit: the solution is called DHT and I was a morron totally forgetting about that.
Perhaps some sort of Distributed Hash Table?
DHT was created like 20 years ago just for this purpose, they work just fine.
Fck, my bad, you are absolutely right. Fixed my comment.
