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Be a pirate
Consider these open-source front-ends:
No ads, no tracking, very customizable. You can import subscriptions, but signing in isn’t supported except in FreeTube Mobile. Also these apps sometimes don’t work for a few days whenever YT changes its back-end.
Newpipe is another option
Thank you! I have ad block for PC but am forced to use mobile for awhile and was dreading the incessant ads on mobile.
I guess it’s not too great of a coincidence though; YouTube is always making the platform worse, so these recommendations are flying around pretty often.
Keep paying guys, someones gotta do it. Thank you for your service. Keeps YouTube available for the rest of us who will never, ever pay a greedy, evil fucking company like Google.
In my country, it’s $1.5. So I am paying so that you guys can get videos for free.
Here it’s appearently $17.81 now… Not exactly value!
One day there will be only 10 people left paying 1million dollar a month
all the people in the reddit keep repeating, pay for prenium to avoid ads went quiet now.
Just gonna drop this off here:
Dang, I keep forgetting that suckers still pay for this…
I used to pay for this. Started a long time ago, when YouTube’s content was… well, better. But now they’re pushing EVERYTHING towards “Shorts” and it’s pure garbage. Not only does it NOT curate for the people watching it, like how many times do I have to say “not intereste”, “don’t show me this channel anymore,” or just fucking report channels for their “algorithm” to get a clue. AI being spammed left and right, and they claim they can’t do shit about it, meanwhile, you whistle 3 seconds of a Nintendo song and your channel already has a strike against it.
The amount of content farms that’s just pulling crap from reddit, putting dumb pointless videos behind it, while AI reads a made-up story. The amount of content where it’s just some fucker who’s just staring at the screen like a creepy fucker, meanwhile something from the MCU plays in the background… they’re adding nothing. Or the pre-recorded “masked” heads (like Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.) randomly gesturing at… fuck all.
People used to make things. YouTube had content. Not saying it was all great. Since TikTok got big, I feel like YT chasing after them things started to go downhill. And then “AI” comes out and the quality just fucking tanks.
I don’t pay for YT Premium anymore. PiHole + AdBlock is used everywhere now. And if a YouTuber promotes anything, literally, fuck that product/company as well. Fucking scorch earth on all those fucking advertisers and the algorithm.
I sometimes feel bad for bypassing all this, then I see the in video sponsors they all have. So now I run Sponsorblock…
tbf, their sponsors don’t know they’re being skipped.
And they don’t pay for you skipping them, which is a win for advertisers, but a loss for Google.
I assume smeeg was talking about inline sponsors not associated with google who don’t get metrics if what you saw/skipped
Smarttubenext on nvidia shield
Revanced youtube on android phones
Ublockorigin on browsers
No more ads.
and ProTube on IOS devices
I’ve never had revanced last more than a week. Bad luck i suspect. Newpipe->greyjay->brave
Three seperate active dev teams fighting off the bastards.
I don’t want to use brave, but it’s never been down for me, so it’s weapon of last resort.
I am a bit worried that, with Google’s upcoming changes, they’ll be a walled garden within a year.
Ublock on firefox mobile seems to work well for youtube, never had that break
I Just run YouTube via my browser with adblock instead of trying to fiddle with an app. And i have another extension so videos doesn’t stop playing when i turn off my screen.
no wrong answers
Unwatched for YouTube on Apple devices.
Also grayjay, new pipe on android
vacuum tube for smart TV.
There is so many project to just get rid of YouTube’s ads
It will never be enough. Line must go up.
"YouTube said the hike will “allow us to continue to improve Premium and support the creators and artists you watch on YouTube.”
Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. They say that every single time they raise the prices. It’s the same dogshit excuse.
They allegedly give 55% to he creators and pocket the rest… And this is AFTER paying creators fractions of a cent per view and shoving expensive ads down the huge majority of their visitors throats.
They are a massively shitty company. The amount of money they steal from content creators is WILD.
content creators mostly cant live off it, they have promotions and brand deals that is seperate from youtube. also patreon accounts, or thier own website.
well, doubling the minimum watches to pay people blocking ad blockers harder and halfing the rates at which they’re getting paid does fit the text they gave
Yeah what a fucking joke. The one and only feature they’re selling (especially since they bailed on original content like 2 years after they started) is ad-free viewing. You need a price hike every 18 months to ensure the “don’t show this guy ads” line in my profile config stays set to True? Fuck off.
Honestly, the biggest selling point for me, and pretty much the entire reason I do have premium, is that they pay the creators you watch way more than a regular view. I guess the alternative would be to sign up to their patreons for a dollar.
According to this page:
Creators earn money from these subscriptions through a dedicated pool of revenue for each subscription type: 30% of the net subscription revenue for Premium and 60% for Premium Lite. This allocation factors in the costs of operating and promoting the service, including amounts we pay to music partners. This pool is distributed to creators based on member watch time and views, and from that distribution creators receive revenue share: 55% for long-form videos and 45% for Shorts.
TLDR: YouTube premium pays out to each content creator about A$0.23 per month. Regular ad watching gives A$0.09 per month.
Tap for math
Current price of premium is A$16.99 a month in Australia. 30% of $16.99 totals $5.10 monthly pool distributed across every content creator you watch. 70% or $11.90 of your monthly fee goes straight to YouTube and royalties to maintain their music platform you may or may not use.
The math gets really speculative here, but let’s say you watch 20 different content creators, half of them make long form videos like Reject Convenience, half of them make shorts. You watch an even mix of 10 minute videos and shorts. Each long form content creator will receive ($5.10 • 0.55) / 10 = $0.28. Each shorts creator will receive ($5.10 • 0.45) / 10 = $0.23. Per month. It’s a pittance really.
In comparison, an ad view gives about $0.03 per view, which if you watched 3 videos from each creator, would total $0.09. So premium gives more, but it’s like 14¢ per month more per person.
I can’t be bothered converting all these numbers to USD, sorry. You can roughly calculate it for your own situation using this formula:
C = (P • 0.3 • F) / NWhere
- C is Content Creator Payout (each)
- P is price of YouTube premium for you
- F is form of content. 0.55 for long form, 0.45 for shorts
- N is how many content creators in the same group of F you watch per month
thats why most of them supplement thier income with brand deals, promotions, , collabs,etc and patreon.
Well i still pay for it for two reasons- no ads and music. I use YouTube music as the music service since it has more artista from my country as for example spotify. And ads free since I and my family love watching each specific videos and are subscribed to different creators. I could switch to Spotify for music but then getting all devices, mostly our tv with chrome cast a solid app that somehow blocks ads without any issues… I would do that. And what about the iOS devices? I don’t want alternative stores on my iOS infected devices just to get an alternative app running. Then again, I don’t want to have pihole being my single point of failure on the complete home network. But the pi hole thing is completely different story (and out if scope).
You might want to check out Metrolist. It’s working well for me.
I really wish PeerTube would take off, or any other alternative.
I think PeerTube should be for hobby purposes. I mean, here’s where I am coming from. I am from a period of the internet, where you were not meant to be e-famous. I still at times, believe this. Look at what happened when the idea of the tiniest bit of fame and success people allow to get to their heads when they realize that they can just make videos and profit off of them.
Nebula.tv has been pretty good. I’m considering the lifetime subscription.
I wish PeerTube worked. For a while I tried just leaving in running on the theory that it might help out, but it didn’t seem to do anything. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong?
I’m running a private, unfederated node; it works. I watch TILVIDS whenever I can find something on there.
This is not an “if you build it, they will come” scenario,
There’s no monetization, so there are almost no content creators.
Creators generally don’t do it for free.
Good creators rely on income from the videos to produce higher-quality videos
Youtube: surfaces creators’ videos pays creators hosts the videos handles CDN
Peertube: The creator pays to host the video (largely against their ISP’s wishes) There’s no surfacing There’s no payments If you’re lucky peertube doesn’t need CDN.
Even if they go all patreon, they’re still not getting that extra cash, surfacing, and free hosting that youtube does.
We need some kind of FOSS Patreon and to have Peertube do some kind of partner/recommendation engine.
I’m not shilling for LMG, but something like Floatplane would make sense. You pay per creator for their extra content and ad free viewing and the cut goes in favor to the creator. Of course Floatplane has to also make money. They’re not in it to serve you ads or use your data to make money. If that took off I could easily see people paying 3-5 creators monthly to watch their videos ad free with extras on one platform.
Nebula has more and is cheaper. I had some interest in Floatplane. Last time I looked at it, Youtube was cheaper for my use case and them not listing creators up front is bad news.
Same, dude. The power users will assume everyone has the time to assemble/learn the skill of setting it up. That being said, it’s on my list of things to figure out one day!
yeah, one of the responses lower down made me realize why PeerTube is unlikely to be a success any time soon - it’s not something the typical YouTube user has to deal with.
What did you want it to do?
Did you set up a node? Did you promote it & grow a user base? Federate?
I wanted it to not be dog slow, because every one I tried spent all its time buffering. I’m not really sure how the architecture of it works but it seemed to suggest some kind of p2p thing so thought that leaving the window open might seed it? But either it didn’t or just nobody was interested.
you are not seeding by just leaving the window open on any peertube page. you are only seeding the specific video you have opened, if you have opened one, and probably not the complete video just the last segments you still have cached. this p2p sharing is mostly for when a certain video gets popular, to help with peek load, and for live streams. if the video was buffering for a long time it’s probably because the server did not have enough upload bandwidth, and no other viewer had the video segments.
there is another load balancing system that peertube supports, they can clone videos fromneach other and help serving them: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/admin/following-instances#platforms-redundancy
don’t know why you got downvoted, this is 100% truth
It never buffers for me, but I do have a full gig and super low latency
all its time buffering.
Could be a zillion reasons for this. Need an actual instance to debug
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Even though it’s no longer tractable for the casual hobbyist (me) to run a node, Invidious is still usable thanks to absolutely heroic effort by the ~4 organizations still willing and able to invest the crazy infrastructure needed to prevent GOOG from blocking them.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube though, so you’re never going to get full time creators there. Media distribution has always been a choke point. Always will be. Short of a non-profit foundation and a unionized creators guild joining forces to operate a decentralized subscription video platform, you’re never going to have a real alternative. I mean… there’s Nebula which is basically that, but who goes to Nebula, it’s full of lefties and educators and theatre people.
You can’t really monetize PeerTube
Lots of channels have a link to their Patreon or a tip jar; lots do live reads.
You can monetize PT with Patreon, but you can monetize YT with Patreon and get paid twice.
That’s why YT has 5 9’s of the creators.
Sure, but then you’re still bringing a for-profit company into the mix. PeerTube is your loss-leader and Patreon is your main platform.
Some channels use Ghost instead of Patreon, including one of my favorites Anders Puck
I’m with GreenBard on this and was always saying that monetization is the biggest peertube problem. Patreon and such are not an ideal option, subscription is IMO. A subscription that would be distributed through authors fairly, but that’s not an easy task I suppose.
liberapay can do that already. but apparently they don’t have the necessary API for integration: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/1586#issuecomment-459100710
Like I said, Nebula does it and it’s pretty good. Hard to get on as a creator unless you have a proven follower base elsewhere though. They’re still mainly using YouTube as a farm league.
Might be interesting to see Nebula set up a fund for PeerTube creators and start using that as a farm league, but I don’t know that they have the subscription revenue for that yet.
So they, too, can enshittify your whole experience? Or are they somehow immune from capitalism??
Ah, it’s federated. Makes sense.
a certain instance can, but that won’t affect the network as a whole that much. you hop over to another instance and done. the developers also could, but it’s open source, it can be forked by dedicated server operators. It’s also developed by a nonprofit, so there’s not abig risk, and thry have a good track record.
It’s a federated network of open source servers, anybody can host it. So, I think we are pretty safe. For now.
Paid for Premium for ten years. Then, moved to a family plan since my brother offered and my wife had moved in with me; it saved me a little money and got her Premium. Then they did the thing they’re all doing where they said “you don’t live in the same house so you’re not a family” and I said, “there’s no way in fucking hell this household is paying $25+ for fucking YouTube, a thing we watch too much of anyway because it’s algorithmically mind-fucking us everyday,” and then we just let it lapse. We’ve got SmarTube on the Android TV for the occasional ad-free video, and it’s clunky enough that we don’t get sucked in, and I’ve got uBlockOrigin on my browser because obviously, and they’ve gone from getting some money out of me to never getting a penny again.
And the fucked up thing is that’s not across the board, for example I’ve been using family premium since it basically came out and my users are located all over the place. Two of which have never even been to my place, and live 4-6 hours away.
It’s shitty, because I wish everyone could have the experience I have had with it.
As much as I hate this, yt premium is probably one of my most used services of anything streaming. I suck at lot of bytes down from them so I guess at least I might be getting what I pay for?
getting what I pay for
GOOG and all its affiliated advertisers – essentially, every corporation on this planet – now knows not only all your browsing and watching habits, but also that you are a likely good return on investment for more mining, more fine-grained targeting, more scrutiny.
and also to train AI scraping the comments, and the videos themselves.
Sure but it’s the opportunism and greed that grates. They pay literally zero for the overwhelming majority of their content, and very little for the rest.
If you Writer-Produce-Star in a TV show that gets 2 million viewers on NBC or ABC, you’re well into the five figures per episode in individual take-home pay, maybe even six. YouTube on the other hand you might just about hit $10,000 for 2M views depending on niche, but they cover zero of your expenses and take none of the up-front risk. If you’ve got more than one person working on making that show, or you had any expenses attached to it, you’re pretty much screwed.
Google could VERY easily keep turning a profit on the old price, but shareholders demand infinite unending growth.
Hey I didn’t say I like this, just trying to pull a lemon out of the lemonade but it’s more like a mud ball out of a swamp.
The trick is to use family plan. I and bunch of friends made one, each pays around 4€.
EDIT: Just make sure you actually live in the same city.
I attempted this because it is a good deal, but unfortunately the rest of my household didn’t care that they got ads, and my mom was too much of a penny-pincher to get anyone in her household to want to do it.
This is my setup, and we are spread across 4 houses in 2 states. Never been an issue.
Nor will it, to be honest. I don’t see Google shooting themselves in the foot like that.
Netflix did something similar with the password crackdown a few years ago and while it worked out in their favor, I don’t foresee YouTube having the same results. YouTube isn’t really providing much of a service aside from removing ads, so chances are if they crack down on that, it’s not going to equate to people in other households buying a membership to continue it. It’s just going to be less income/revenue. YouTube would need to bet on at least two of the people running family plans are going to convert over to a YouTube premium account. Which I don’t think is a safe bet for the prime canadates that went out of their way to set up the family plan, because if they were going to do that they would have done it in the first plac
For sure. I’ve already contemplated switching to a different streaming service for music, but while I have YT premium I’ll keep using YT music, although they keep making that interface worse and worse. My YT consumption will just plummet to only a couple of channels, and I’ll just work through my backlog of the terabytes of media I have on my Plex server. Hell, might even go outside and see what that’s all about, but I don’t want to rush into anything.
