• NewNewAccount@lemmy.world
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    Isn’t it funny how conservatives love pointing out that the KKK was founded by Democrats, basically acknowledging that Klansmen are bad people, while ignoring that they now vote in lockstep with Republicans?

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      What’s even funnier is the Southern Poverty Law Center actually funded the Klan. Until they got caught (literally) in bed with them just a short time ago…

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    Not only weekend. With the left comes the freedom to be, freedom to think, cultural freedom, equal rights, solidarity, fraternity, scientific advancement, laws without prejudice, without religious impositions, respect for the self, without the battle for survival of neoliberalism.

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    Left wing rage gave us the bloody USSR, gulags, and lets not forget when the RAF kidnapped and killed politicians, and hijacked a plain trying to get their leaders out of jail.

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      The USSR were authoritarians cloaking themselves with leftist words, the non-authoritarians refer to them as red-fash, and we don’t consider them to be actually left, just power trippers who want to rule with an iron fist.

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        Politics is mostly just tribalism. Radicalization is just having more loyalty to a tribe that wants to destroy the status quo. Whether far left or far right, people in these tribes are more likely to show a blind devotion to the leaders of those tribes. When the leaders of either the far left or far right gain power, the abuse of power will be similar.

        Historical problems that stemmed from far right and far left movements in the past are something people pushing these things need to address. The far right goes for “accusing others of that which you’re guilty” which is typical of them. The far left sometimes uses this tactic, but tends to make rationalizations. Tankies go for “didn’t happen, Stalin was great, nananana I can’t hear you!” Non-tankies go for “that stuff that happened in all the other countries won’t happen if we did it here, they started as agrarian socialism and therefore there was no issues in the power dynamics involved with giving all of the power to a small group of people.”

        But in the end all radical movements are just variations of “give me all of the power I’ll make you stronger/equal, you can totally trust me!”

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          Anarchism is the only ideology that says “Don’t give me power, instead spread all power out as much as possible to prevent dictatorships and any ability for corporations or a state to exploit others.”

          From historical records, when it’s able to be tried, it works like it says on the tin.

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            Spain in the 1930s?

            Yeah great, anarchism works until it gets taken over by a dictator.

            An ideology that only works if you can get everyone in the world to believe in it is more of a religion than a viable political movement.

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              Most of Europe in the 1940s was defeated by the very same forces that defeated Spain in the 1930s. Except they had the ability to learn the lessons of Spain and had the backing of international capital and the world’s most renowned militaries.

              Does that prove the failures of capitalism, representative democracy, or parliamentary monarchies?

              Blitzkrieg was a brand new warfare technique which the Spanish had to contend with and they lasted 3 years against the Axis powers whilst also trying a new form of political, social, and economic organisation. I think you should read up on the Spanish civil war some more, it’s an incredible period of history which if anything proves the strengths of anarchism despite the Republicans ultimately losing.

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                I think you should read up on WWII. After going through a civil war, Spain was not in any shape to contribute much of anything to the fascist side in WWII. After WWII, France wanted the allies to do a regime change in in Spain, since they weren’t comfortable with fascists on their border for obvious reasons. But instead the allies opted for containment and isolation. It sucked for people in Spain for decades, but after Franco died they moved on from fascism. Regime change eventually happened in Spain without the need for other countries to invade.

                Right now nobody in the Middle East is all that happy living next to Iran. Iran is pretty fascist, so do you think Trump is right in going to war with Iran?

                I think you’ve got some tunnel vision on WWII and think it has to go that way and aren’t understanding all of the instances where regime change has not gone well. Maybe you think guys like Saddam Hussein and the Ayatollah of Iran are good guys and not oppressive authoritarian leaders or something? But they were/are horrible authoritarians and the same rationalization for other countries to get involved in some war in the US is the same rationalization for why the US gets involved in regime change operations in various parts of the world.

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      Left wing rage gave you the revolution, then stalin moved in in true right fashion and co-opted the whole shebang

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      gulags pre-date the ussr.

      ussr was actually the one that eventually abolished them in 1960

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    Holy shit lemmy have you learned nothing, stop feeding the troll. He’s only here to spread his gospel

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      Lol. If you are not trolling, you do realise that many Republicans say “Democrats betrayed them” for pursuing progressive policies? Ronald Reagan said the he didn’t abandon the Democrats, the Democrats abandoned him. Trump himself was a Democrat until he echoed the same sentiment as Ronald Reagan.

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        And? Our party didnt change, if those two can to the fold we welcome them. Who failed here? Sounds like the otherside drove them to us. Next will be Fetterman, I like him.

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          Our party didnt change,

          Both parties changed. Both parties moved to the left. The GOP didn’t change as much as the Democrats did. The Democrats ran away from the kind of conservatism that gave us the Klan. The Klan found themselves more closely aligned with the unchanging GOP than it did with the left-moving Democrats.

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      Fuck off, you disingenuous cunt

      The only thing more pathetic than your comment is how often your mother fakes being stung by a jellyfish to get me to piss on her

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      your mistake is treating two right wing parties as if either of them is representative of the left, or like the UMWA, USW, UAW, and IWW that brought us weekends were strictly represented in the 1920s and 30s by the democrats or republicans. 10,000 miners don’t march up a mountain with rifles in hand because their needs are represented on a ballot. They got their weekends by demonstrating that could shut down industry if they weren’t listened to. and do you know what all those unions have in common? you have to denounce the Klan to join.

      so get the fuck out of the bullshit left vs right fake binary your high school civics teacher taught you and go learn some real labor history

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        This has nothing to do what I was saying. At no point did I bring up labor laws or unions. So you can kindly get the fuck out as you bring nothing to the table of this discussion.

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          the meme at the top of this is about labor laws and unions. you are responding to it already being brought up. maybe if you learn about the context you live in you’ll learn to see past “the republicans were abolitionists in the 1860s” because they sure as shit weren’t ever since the 1920s, and DEFINITELY weren’t after the ideological flip of the democrats abandoning the southern strategy and the republicans adopting it.

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            Unions, unions suck. I was a teamster and in the IBEW it rewards the losers. Every steward I had was a lame ass failed upward that had no interest for helping us. Walked away and never looked back, unions are bullshit entities to help their leadership keep living lavish lifestyles on the back of the working man.

            Sound familiar? Why add another layer?

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      Republicans couldn’t be voted for because Lincoln freed the slaves, until the Democrats passed the civil rights act.

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    If I am remembering correctly, getting the weekend off was primarily pushed for by progressive Christian organizations (They needed a dedicated day to go to church, along with a work-free day for the sabbath) of course, this happened prior to the heavy conservative swing that defined most religious politics of the latter half of the 20th century. Depending on your views of the church, it’s either surprising that they were the dominant progressive force of the first half of the 20th century, or surprising that they stopped being the dominant progressive force.

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      Where does it say in the phrase “anything and everything goes” or in the 6 rules that this community doesn’t allow politics?

      If you’re so unhappy with politics being posted here, as you seem to be by the regular complaints, then set up your own shitposting community without politics allowed.

    • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.worldM
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      I personally tire of the politics too, but there isn’t a “no politics” rule in lemmyshitpost, so it’s fair game. People have brought it up before, but it seems like the wider community prefers the less restrictive posting rules.