No Verizon support makes it incompatible with my absolutely essential truly unlimited data via their Visible subsidiary. My job takes me away from home far too much to go without it.
For anyone interested, there’s also an official lineage image now.
ELI5: Why use /e/OS over Graphene? This isn’t a rhetorical rant; I’m genuinely curious.
Edit: See below. I misphrased this question.
I never used /e/ but I used iode (https://iode.tech/) and it worked really well. Main differences:
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Graphene doesn’t support pattern unlock because they claim PIN is more secure. This is stupid because you can just as easily see what PIN someone typed as the pattern. Since PIN is less convenient most people will use finger print unlock which means you can be easily forced to unlock your phone against your will
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iode has support for shortcuts when using 3 button navigation, Graphene doesn’t for some reason
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iode has really nice tracker blocker which can run next to a VPN, Graphene doesn’t
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Graphene let’s you install Google Services in a separate work profile and separate apps that have access to them from other apps. In iode you will have microG installed system wide
For me that were the biggest differences. When it comes to app support they worked pretty much the same. I’m on Graphene now and it would be too much work to change now but for my next phone I will most likely go with iode.
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I don’t believe Graphene supports Fairphone.
Fairphone can’t meet graphene security standards.
Graphene isn’t also that much better than the alternatives (when it comes to things other than security).
You don’t own a pixel?
Sorry, I realize that question could be interpreted in two ways: I meant for Fairphone not to try to get Graphene working on their phone. I know Motorola is trying to do that right now, for example.
If Motorola does I’ll dump myPixel9 in a heartbeat… Google has too much of a hand in it…
From what I’ve read elsewhere (seen some comments here, don’t remember the exact threads) the Graphene team has a specific hardware requirement that Fairphone doesn’t supply. Would be cool to see both projects working together though
That hardware requirement is something they could work on for upcoming phones.
That would be awesome if they do so. I like /e/OS for what it is and does, my FP4 works great after all. That said, having the option for Graphene OS I feel would do nothing but benefit all parties, so hopefully that can be addressed at some point.
Well in that case, it’s cool to see Fairphone using /e/OS!
It’s mostly a thing of what’s available for your phone. For pixels 6 and newer (and I think some new motorolas as of recently) you can use graphene. If you are on fairphone or a bunch of other devices, you have support for e/OS. In general, graphene is a bit more secure than e/OS, so if you have the choice, it’s probably the way to go but if you don’t have a pixel and don’t want to buy one, e/OS is probably one of the better maintained degoogled android versions out there.
Here you can find a list with a feature comparison.no motorollas are supported yet by GrapheneOS. only new ones projected to come next year will be.
/e/OS is just a fork of LineageOS, with dubious software choices and practices. LOS is available for many more devices and is the cleaner almost-degoogled (like /e/ and other LOS forks) basic AOSP-like experience with lots of customization to use even in old devices that keep running modern android this way.
GOS is much more secure than LOS or any of its forks (including /e/), even more so when the latter is running in old devices that no longer have firmware updates. and it’s properly degoogled, with the option to use Google Services in the best way possible - without it having root access to your system and isolated from other apps, if you so wish
so, GrapheneOS is your best option. if you can’t or won’t, use LineageOS
I want to love this but I can’t compromise my security for this device. If y’all ever add MTE and the other features required by Graphene I’ll be the first in line
Fair enough. But too many people think privacy and security are the same thing.
GrapheneOS is dedicated to both privacy and security, whereas e/os (while it does have some security improvements over stock android) is much more focused on the privacy side of things.
Yeah, same for me. I’m sure I’m on top of CIA’s list of “people to hack” so no security compromises for me.
I get the sense this is sarcastic lol. In my opinion though, privacy without security isn’t very useful. Yes I can avoid corporate or government spying when I’m in physical control of a device like this, but what if I get arrested on some false pretenses and they use cellebrite to gain access? Or the same at an airport when traveling? If you’re any form of political dissident, activist, or a member of a marginalized group, being targeted this way is a very real possibility. And as soon as that insecure but “private” device is out of your hands, all that data is free game for the govt.
I am interested. If anyone out there has one in the US, I would like to hear your opinons about it
I have the Fairphone 6 (not the plus) running /e/os. It’s pleasant enough that when I had to use a vanilla android tablet I was kind of like (is this how you people live?! 😄 this is awful!)
Could you please tell how long battery lasts? Friend of mine with FP5 and CalyxOS is not very impressed
I dont have this newest gen6 plus, just the slightly less new gen6 with e/os, but I wouldn’t imagine the difference is huge. Has generally worked about as well as any regular android phone Ive had, with a few minor annoyances like the “paste” button for text often being invisible, such that I just have to press where it should be to make it work.
Hello @murena@lemmy.world 👋
You will probably be my next smartphone
Hope you use T-Mobile because that’s the only carrier getting full support. AT&T has only native support, while its MVNOs are shown as “partial” (a.k.a. “pot luck” with regard to which capabilities are supported). Verizon is a total no-go.
I doubt he’s using T-Mobile in Australia. (take a look at his instance then realize lemmy is not just for Americans)
Fair enough - I’m aware it’s not. I was still thinking of the American release since this is the first one officially supported in the USA, and I had just read another article focused upon that a couple days ago - which probably primed me for staying in that mindset. Apologies for being tunnel-visioned. I’m just very frustrated since I’d like to get one, but can’t use it under these limitations.
