Oh my God you’re soooo cool and totally brad pit in fight club
part of the reason why leftism is cool is that we are against the system, yeah.
Dehumanization of the adversaries is not good. We have to be better than that.
2026: haha what profits the US military has literally spent ALL the money and blown through all of their weapons in order to cede control of the strait of hormuz, get their missile radars blown to shit by shahed drones, and abandon their military presence in southwest asia. the next move will be dismantling our meager health care and education systems to pay for a trade war with canada and a giant golden bitcoin bidet. chefs kiss
Not 100% sure, but the left one looks for more like a progressive, not a liberal.
And I don’t know about the right one, but conservatives aren’t MAGA either.The US has four types of monsters not two.
i think you are confusing what progressives and conservatives are.
democrats are not leftists. conservatives are fascists.
The problem with this meme is that the vast majority of Europeans have no idea these things are connected.
It also puts the blame way too much on the individual, which ironically is a very liberal way to look at capitalism and imperialism.
While I think there’s a real question about how much of it is willful ignorance vs. propaganda working as intended, you’re largely correct. The reality that most U.S. citizens have maybe a high school understanding of their country’s foreign policy is the biggest hole in the “imperial proletariat as labor aristocratics” theory.
What blame? This is a meme not an analysis, it’s meant to challenge the viewer to no longer think in terms of “what can I get out of electoralism” and instead focus on the death and carnage that the false choice is meant to distract from but instead what keeps western societies running.
No liberal or conservative would ever gather that from this meme. Calling liberals and conservatives monsters for a dynamic they’re not even aware of is hardly challenging their views, it’s guilt tripping them.
Well it’s not addressed at liberals or conservatives but people who identify as leftists but still believe in the electoralist/reformist path. Only a few people on lemmy identify as liberal and even fewer as conservative.
Failing that, it’s just a meme. I don’t see any harm in posting it even if it doesn’t have the intended effect.
edit: you know the kind of people already fed up with the fakeness of it, seemingly having to support the palestinian genocide for instance no matter how they choose, but can’t quite put their finger on what’s wrong with the system.
It’s not clear at all from the meme that electoral leftists are the target audience, because the meme literally calls out liberals and conservatives, but the intended message is correct enough I guess.
Guilt and shame are effective ways is getting people to challenge their views
Even then this meme strawmans both liberals and conservatives. If the goal is to make them confused and defensive then excellent job.
tbf i think it perfectly encapsulates conservative/fascist rhetoric.
liberal thinking is indeed a bit more complex.
Cool, we agree. The meme is intended to create an emotional reaction, a negative emotional reaction, associated with these labels.
Okay well, how educational
Yes, memes, the preferred format of educators everywhere for everything, being perverted into some form of emotional communication without depth. Oh, the huge manatees!
War profits for healthcare? How about stop allowing profit from healthcare, run them as services for the public good, and we already pay more than enough taxes to treat everyone.
You dare suggest something that is actually good for everyone? You monster!
The problem isn’t purely with what to do with a country’s wealth, but also where it comes from. Is it produced domestically, or does it come from exploiting others? Imperialist countries gain the bulk of their wealth from expropriating it from the global south. This is why welfare alone isn’t a viable solution, the question of socialism must also be addressed, ending imperialism and moving humanity forwards.
Imperialist countries gain the bulk of their wealth from expropriating it from the global south.
You got a study backing that up?
Check out the studies on “unequal exchange”. The most recent publication is https://www.iskrabooks.org/books/p/ue-past-present-future by Torkil Lauesen.
It is an analysis that accounts for the cost of European social democracy being borne by the over exploited world
@Cowbee
Already on my list to read! Would have considered recommending it if I had read it myself. Thanks!
Ok dope ty
I recommend reading through the article Five Characteristics of Neoimperialism.
Yeah, I think I remember you liking Lenin, I was just curious if you had like, an economic breakdown study or something showing the actual numbers instead of theory.
The article provides numbers, examples, and cites its sources. It was written in 2021 as well, so this is relatively modern economic data. Please read the article, if I wanted you to understand how imperialism functions I would have recommended reading Lenin himself, rather than an article using Lenin’s understanding of imperialism as a base and elaborating on it with hard numbers.
Where does the euro/US wealth come from?
Boomer slop
What about this is boomer slop? It’s a little “enlightened centrist” (if you conflate liberals with the left, which let’s not get started), sure, but most boomers are depicted on the right panel, and at least 2 of the 3 background images are old memes so not slop
It isn’t centristic at all. It’s boomer slop because this meme style is the exact same stuff you’d find on a boomer facebook group or something. Especially with the angry woke SJW stereotype picture.
Agree to disagree I suppose. When I think of “boomer Facebook group” I don’t think of them casually criticizing the police state or militaristic profiteering, and when I think of “slop” I think of things that are lazily generated by AI.
I don’t see how you can say it isn’t at least trying to be a centrist meme when “liberals think x, conservatives think y, they’re both wrong and I’m a genius because I think z” is the oldest centrist meme template in the book
“The imperial core shouldn’t be getting any treats paid for by war crimes” is a pretty leftist take though, not a centrist one. I would imagine a centrist being more like “We should distribute money between those two while continuing to do war crimes.”.
I agree with your first paragraph as well, I’m just talking about the meme’s style. Slop doesn’t really need to be AI, just has to be really low quality.
we accept memes from all generations here bro
– but only if it’s based. :p
you disagree?
Yes
you’re not suave chico
Why?
