I’m 45, so not a boomer but already too old to get any respect from people in their 30’s (90% of my colleagues for example). Simply speaking about something they didn’t experience (reading a map, installing an OS, meeting the love of your life without a dating app…) gets me a “Ok Boomer” each time so what do I do? I just shut the fuck up. I’m not worried, they’ll be in my position very quickly.
I mean, I’m going to invite everyone of every age to strip bottomless, take any “back in my day we didn’t have your fancy [whatever]” bitching an moaning you have to do, dip it in honey, roll it in sand, and cram it up your exposed ass.
I’m 38. In my mid-20s, I taught flight school, mainly to people twice my age, and this included a fairly large section on reading Sectional Aeronautical Charts. I’ve got zero fucks to give for someone 7 years my senior pulling “back in my day we had maps” shit.
Send them this. I’m sure they will get it.
Bro, I’m 28 and I feel this way. It’s like I became uncool overnight
The hardship Boomers had was mostly far away and hypothetical. They grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war.
The old Star Trek episode “Gary Seven” has an interesting take on this. Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood. Then it didn’t, and they had no idea what to do with themselves.
Then they come to a time when they’re resented by both their parents and their children. The Greatest Generation was horny after the war and literally fucked the Boomers into existence, but realized too late that they didn’t actually like having children. Boomers treated their children the way their parents treated them. Gen X sorta puts up with it, but Millennials aren’t having it.
Other than that, capitalism knew by the 1950s that if they push the working class too hard, they’ll revolt. Better to back off the money printer a little to make sure we can keep running it for as long as possible. And so the working class could have a reasonably comfy life doing the same trades for their whole working life (provided they were white). Over time, capitalism found that it can keep a working class revolt from happening by dividing the working class against each other; racism and religion works pretty well. Then it was time to overclock the money printer.
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I guess it’s to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
Note that this is mostly specific to North America, Western Europe, Japan and maybe a few other countries. Pretty much everywhere else boomers aren’t all that different from zoomers, save for regular intergenerational differences.
I guess it’s to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
I’m not a boomer, but this isn’t quite a fair characterization. Yes, they had cheap college, affordable cars, housing, lots of upward mobility that most of us would love to have today, but they lived through some shit too. Boomers were in their youth when humanity had its closest brush with global nuclear war when the bombers were in the air flying during the Cuban Missile Crisis. They lived everyday with a really good chance the world was going to end in nuclear war. They were the last generation to see a compulsory military draft and many know high school friends that were drafted and died in Vietnam. We think interest rates are bad these days making borrowing expensive. No shit they were having to get mortgages with a minimum of 18% and 19%:
This says nothing about the many racial and sexual discrimination issues that those groups faced making basic life even harder. In Canada it wasn’t until 1964 that a woman could open her own bank account without her husband’s consent. In the USA, redlining preventing people of color from buying homes in better areas denying them untold billions of dollars of generational wealth from real estate appreciation.
Absolutely give the out-of-touch boomers that are dismissive of the problems young people are facing today the shit boomers deserve. They did so much to harvest the benefits of the last century and leave the bill to the younger generations while simultaneously destroying environment for the later generations to thrive the way they did. Just don’t forget that each generation has its problems too and there hasn’t been a generation yet that has been entirely carefree.
Just using the interest rate is an unfair comparison. You have to go get median house prices and median incomes as well to make a proper comparison. Just saying the rate was higher at some point is useless if we don’t also compare the prices and incomes because what really matters is affordability. Not saying your whole comment is wrong, just trying to say that this particular part seems to be biased in favor of the Boomers.
Median home price to median household income ratio This ratio is a key indicator of housing affordability. It measures how many years of the median household’s income are needed to purchase the median-priced home. Period Median Household Income Median Home Price Price-to-Income Ratio 1980 ~$21,000 ~$65,000 ~3.1x 2024 ~$85,000 ~$415,000 ~4.9x Comparison of mortgage payments Even with the high interest rates of the 1980s, the lower home values meant a smaller overall loan and a monthly payment that took up a smaller percentage of the median household income. Here is a side-by-side comparison of a hypothetical mortgage for a median-income household in 1980 and 2024: Mortgage metric Early 1980s 2024 Median income $22,000 $85,000 Median house price $47,000 $415,000 20% down payment $11,000 (~50% of annual income) $83,000 (~98% of annual income) Loan amount $36,000 $332,000 Interest rate 13% 7.5% Monthly payment $397 $2,321 Payment as % of gross income
Just using the interest rate is an unfair comparison. You have to go get median house prices and median incomes as well to make a proper comparison. Just saying the rate was higher at some point is useless if we don’t also compare the prices and incomes because what really matters is affordability. Not saying your whole comment is wrong, just trying to say that this particular part seems to be biased in favor of the Boomers.
I’d written a big post already, and diving into all the details and nuance was too much to put in the initial post. You’re right that the interest rate alone isn’t a determining factor, but I’d also disagree that its objectively in favor of Boomers, perhaps subjectively though. Another factor to consider is that in the downpayment requirements. Today we talk about the “best practice” of putting 20% down on a home, but that’s today. The alternative of putting less-than 20% down and using PMI didn’t even exist as a concept until 1971. It grew in popularity later, but in the early days it wasn’t common. Further, with higher interest rates it meant that much lower pay down of the principal was occurring in the first few years of the mortgage because of amortization. It was the beginning of the age of moving more frequently for jobs, which meant less equity build up as each house sale cycle robbed them of that benefit of wealth, arguable the most valuable investment asset of the working class.
Median home price to median household income ratio This ratio is a key indicator of housing affordability
I appreciate you doing and sharing that analysis.
I think we both agree that its difficult to do an absolute comparison on the home buying/owning experience between the Boomer era and today’s Millennials (or GenZ) simply because so many conditions are different. We didn’t talk about Stagflation or unemployment rate in 1982 being 10.8% compared to today’s 4.3%. I pointed out the interest rate being higher because most folks approach new information as “all else being equal” conditions. The audience already knew that housing price was less in the Boomer era, additional it was known that income was higher proportionally to living expenses than today’s Millennials (or GenZ), what I doubted was common knowledge was the sky high interest rates compared to today. Thats what I was communicating.
For a community called “LemmyShitPost” there is an awful lot of gold here.
Lemmy’s shit is someone else’s dinner
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“I haven’t learned how to communicate with people that have different ideas than me so I just come up with new slurs to call them!”
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No I don’t have the time for people who don’t have time for me. Every boomer in my life decided I was lazy, weak, dumb, or worthless before trying to actually take the time to see if that was true. Why should I have spent the time trying to convince them otherwise if they already didn’t care? It’s not like me showing them how wrong they were benefits me whatsoever. Wasted energy that could be better spent improving my life and the lives of people who do care.
ok boomer
Managed this as a millennial - had absolutely nothing to do with my parents helping pay half my deposit. Nope, absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever.
I have an offer for a family member to pay the entire deposit and I’m still not buying a house. I’m in top percentile income too but I’d rather retire early and meagerly rent than be stuck for the next 3 decades.
how is owning a home a barrier to early retirement more than paying rent with money you will never see again? you wouldnt be stuck for 30 years and if someone’s gifting you 20% it seems foolish not to. perhaps you should do some self education on retirement and money
Buying a house increases the switching cost of moving to seek new job opportunities. Since we’re no longer in the days of pensions renting makes sense. Imagine buying a home in Detroit before inscrutable politics and macroeconomics caused it to decline; buying a home means you risk holding the bag, especially if you don’t know how to manage risk from climate change in the coming decades.
The housing market is in a bubble right now. Buying a house is no guarantee of equity when the value can plummet and put you underwater at a moment’s notice.
The value of a paid off home is not the equity, that’s just numbers on a paper until you die and your heirs sell. The value is in living for peanuts for the rest of your life.
My house is paid off. My monthly housing costs are $735 for property tax that can’t increase more than 2% year due to California law. My neighbor three doors down with the same floor plan rents for $8500/month. That difference will only increase for the next 40 (I hope) years until I die.
Yeah I don’t think people realize that the biggest advantage of owning is to lock yourself into a stable housing cost. Even before it’s paid off, you lock in a more or less stable monthly housing bill. Maintenance sucks, big ticket repairs suck. But you’re always going to need somewhere to live.
I bought a place ten years ago, and if I was renting the same house today it would be about double the mortgage. Sure, I highly doubt that doubling will happen again in another ten years. But I doubt even more that we will ever see the prices back at 2015 level.
Maintenance costs suck, but even that has a silver lining when you own. It’s yours. When your fridge breaks in a rental you’re not out any money, but they just bring by another jank landlord special. I redid my kitchen with Thermador, not the top of the top brand, but pretty far up there. That cost quite a bit but it’s mine and my kitchen is far better than anything I had renting.
Even my not-paid-off house is saving me money, since rent has continued increasing and my mortgage has not. I’d probably be paying at least twice in rent for this house as what my mortgage payment is. Bought it 12 years ago.
That too, last year before I finished my mortgage my neighbor was paying well over double my mortgage, property taxes, and maintenance costs combined.
Rent often isn’t too far off from the cost of buying. The main financial advantage of buying comes from appreciation, which I would say is a pretty big gamble.
Historically housing as an investment is one of the least risky gambles one can take. They even have a saying, “safe as houses.” People will always need a place to live. Tbh, buying a house is probably safer than government bonds right now.
People will always need a place to live, yes. We also always need food, and general safety from harm. A home is no good if you lose any of the other two while living there. That can happen if, for example, the government or your neighbours decide that your kind is undesirable, or an arbitrary trade war forces businesses in your area into downsizing/bankruptcy and losing you the jobs that paid for your food, or the same happening to farms in the area. How big these risks are will depend a lot on where you are and who you are.
You can afford a home on a single income if your income is 3-4x of the value of the home, roughly.
Where I live lots of people can afford homes, but they are just super angry they can’t afford the homes that they want. They don’t want a 2bed condo for 400-500K. They want single family home with 4bedrooms that’s about 3-4x the size of the condo, even if they don’t have kids, and are outraged such homes aren’t affordable for a single person.
But also, lots of people, don’t save intentionally and still complain they can’t afford stuff, even thought they could if they did save. These are the types who argue with you that 300/mo on gyms is a necessity… but they never go to the gym.
Ok boomer
Average annual family income in the US is around $80k/a. Are you seriously suggesting that families should be looking for homes in the $20k to $30k range? What kind of home, exactly, do you think you get for that?
This is how we get trailer parks in tornado alley. Or mold infested hovels.
Cardboard box next to the fish market dumpster.
We used to dream of being next to the fish market dumpster. We had to live in a paper bag outside a hogfat rendering plant. The smell still hasn’t gone away some 50 years later, my wife says.
I think they worded that backwards and are referring to the adage (or maybe that is what the banks go off of?) that your loan shouldn’t be for more than 3x your income. So if you make 80k per year you can generally afford a $240k house.
Going above that 3x means too much of your income goes to paying for the house and you don’t have enough for other living expenses+maintaining the house.
Now good luck finding a home for only $240K in an area that actually has decent-paying jobs…
Just as a real example, 70-80k/year is very feasible in the Philadelphia area. I saved up around 90k across a decade (with a worse income…) and bought a place for slightly over 350k. The thing is you NEED that initial down payment amount to make those numbers work, PMI with less than a conventionally mortgage down payment is a debt trap. Most people aren’t financially literate, and people with large amounts of capital take advantage of that in the lending and real estate industries.
If you can settle or pool resources this all gets easier, and if you have disabilities or make poor financial decisions it becomes impossible and you rent trap yourself. Renting still makes more sense for people with jobs that move around, though.
You can afford a home on a single income if the home is 3-4x that of your income, roughly.
FTFY
The building next door, with 4 units of 1100sqft each (spread over three floors, ughhhh) is $1.6 million CAD per unit.
That’s a really big brush you’ve got there, really painting everything in broad strokes.
Poster is the grandma from the picture, can we get an AMA?
Yes its everyone else’s fault
It’s definitely based on where you live… Whether you get a USDA backed loan, etc… I financed my house, 15 yrs ago when rates were between 3 and 6 percent. 2200sqft 3br, 2 bath, with half finished basement on a half acre, and deeded lake access point (Lake Norman) they wanted 120K, but I talked them down to 100K. Since it’s out in the country ( about 15 minutes from the city), it qualified for USDA, which means no closing costs, 30 year FIXED RATE. I pay $650 a month for my mortgage…Only downside is that it was built in 1973, but there are so many houses out here like this, just sitting…
I was told the other day by someone younger than me that saying “okay boomer” is cringe now. The new hot hip fan-didly-tastic slang is “unc status” or “aunt status”, apparently. Means the same thing, but in sleek Gen-Z packaging.
I feel like there is always some level of condescension when talking about other generations of slang and I wonder why. There’s a smack of snark to the redundant duplicated repetition of “hot hip fan-didly-tastic” and “sleek Gen-Z packaging”, and “cringe” is obviously derogatory. Can’t we casually accept that “the new slang is” what it is, and set an example for the younger ones in turn?
Couldn’t contemporary colloquialisms coexist comfortably?
I love using the new slang. It makes my kid turn red, which I find hilarious.
Okay zoomer.
Fuck I am too old for my own generation. Mentally and from my speaking I am way more millenial than gen z
You arent alone lmao
Notably, – yet again – it’s also cribbing/misusing black slang/terminology; disappointing…
How so?
Unc’s a term that’s been in use since at least the 90s (but maybe older; I’m not a historian nor was alive then); it can sometimes be used disparagingly though, generally, it’s usually a sort of familiar way to refer to someone that’s older. Kind of similar in the way “cuz” doesn’t literally refer to someone who’s your cousin but someone you’re familiar with, who’s like family in the same way a cousin might be (you didn’t grow up with them, didn’t see them all the time, but you’re familiar with them).
So it’s not hard to see how this new definition came about but it is, still, sort of just plucking the word and modifying it to a very different context (the disparaging form was definitely not the predominant form and there was a degree of fondness or respect for your elders in the term which this new usage completely eradicates through patronizing that I can’t help but notice is more community-destructing than community-building). While this is a phenomenon that is far from new, it’s felt particularly manufactured in the last decade and a half or so (probably due to the ease with which things can become viral in our current Hellscape-form of Internet); a lot of the “slang” that’s hit mainstream awareness has felt almost more like buzzwords than actual slang or even natural language in the way it’s been used. That’s not directly relevant to your question but just something I’ve been thinking about.
Also, thanks for asking, rather than downvoting; it’s (obviously) not everyone but there’s a non-negligible segment of Lemmy that just seems to have an emotional tantrum every time race comes up.
The boomers have lost all respect
“Ok Boomer” means “that’s nice, now go sit down grandpa, the adults who live in realityare talking”
I treat it like, “Ah I see you shared an opinion in public that is the reason your family abandoned you. And here you are, alone in society - still holding on to your shitty thoughts, and you will die alone.”
Except it gets misused on those of us who were the boomers first victims.
The boomers are like people who think misandry is real. Not necessarily in need of torture and public execution, but definitely not worth listening to.
Genuinely can’t tell if this is a joke or not lmao
I’m just trolling lol
The secret ingredient is lead poisoning. The Baby Boomer generation spent over half their lives sniffing leaded gasoline fumes.
Ding ding ding!
The reason it feels like people from that era are angrier and dumber than they used to be is because they literally are! It’s literal brain damage!
They still do. General aviation still uses 100LL aka low lead
Blood concentrations of lead are laughable today compared to when leaded gas was in cars. It’s a decrease of 94%. Yes, we still have a lead problem. No, it is no longer anywhere near as bad as it was.
True, but the safe level of lead is none. This is especially true for children.
The FAA finally approved 100UL (unleaded), so the US is on track to stop using 100LL in most cases within the next 20 years
EPA has tight regulations on washing your plane though, so there’s no problem with lead /s
Disclaimer: It’s better than nothing that the EPA tried to do something, but the government really should have gotten their shit together and approved 100UL decades ago
Shh, don’t say it too loud or Maga will legislate the lead back in.
Hahaha … heh … but seriously, MAGA does want brain damaged voters.
Oh don’t worry about that, they already caused their havoc
Thanks to the FAA’s shoestring budget, they don’t have the funds to just issue an STC to allow existing planes to use it. Each plane owner will have to pay for one to be issued. It costs me $200 to get one issued. It costs that much because the FAA hasn’t had the budget to upgrade their systems, so handling applications takes a lot of labor. They need to manually verify the make and model of aircraft will not be at risk of adverse effects from unleaded gasoline, since safety > all else
It’s a good thing the FAA verifies this, but it shouldn’t be such an inefficient process. The only reason it’s so inefficient is because conservatives have gutted federal agencies for so many years. MAGA will still point to the inefficient process as an example of why they should keep cutting funding, “see how inefficient the FAA is? They don’t deserve our money!”
While lead pipes were banned in 1986, millions of lead service lines remain in service across the US to this day…
Lead pipes are less of an issue that it would seem, as the pipes quickly develop a layer of calcium salts on the inside, preventing the water from actually coming into contact with the lead.
By all means, they need replaced. But they’re nowhere near the contributor that leaded gasoline was. That stuff probably fucked up 6 distinct generations. If you lived in a city, you were inhaling lead constantly.
Lead pipes are less of an issue that it would seem, as the pipes quickly develop a layer of calcium salts on the inside, preventing the water from actually coming into contact with the lead.
This right here.
If people remember the lead in drinking water contamination in Flint Michigan, its because they had lead pipes that were well coated with the protective layers and had no trouble with lead in water. Then the newly elected city manager changed water sources to cut costs against the advice of the water engineers in the city. The other source of water was more acidic and stripped out all that protective coating and suddenly there’s huge amounts of lead in the drinking water from the pipes.
Lead gasoline for cars is gone. Lead pipes are still around.
You’re concerned about the big problem that we already solved? Bro, you need to re-prioritize.
Get out of here with your fact-based science, it sounds like you did your own research. We don’t like that. Please comply.
Agreed, fake news. Trump didn’t say this so it isn’t true. Lead never hurt no one. (Ever noticed MAGA’s double negative usage?)
That’s right, water never leaves scale deposits in pipes. Only in hot water tanks and faucets. In between, magic.
Also faucets and fittings are still made with a brass alloy containing lead
Wait, what? In what country(ies)?
I know the US is one that has 100LL
Edit: Misunderstood context, disregard
This gives me flashbacks to the one time in my life I really wanted to answer “okay boomer”
My father in law was supporting the claim the climate change might exist, but it’s nothing we have to concern ourselves about because it’s going to take decades to do anything.
And I was like: you have grandkids, they will be there in decades! And: you just experienced the first drought of your country, how is that not climate change??
After half an hour going in rounds I gave up and bit my tongue to not torpedo our relationship. Two years later he admitted that maybe there was something about climate change nowadays…
Decades ago my stepmother did this in front of her 8 year old daughter… I was like, ok you’ll be dead, and you don’t need to care about me as your stepson, but what about her?
Ughh… Now her and my dad are MAGA…
Two years later he admitted that maybe there was something about climate change nowadays…
At least they changed their mind (a little bit). I think this is a huge part of the problem: admitting an error and being supported for that admission is something that is frowned upon in certain groups. I think toxic masculinity plays one big factor here. Admitting errors is seen as “not masculine”, especially within conservative groups.
it’s frown upon by every group.
nice way to blame ‘masculinity’ though. as of women or something don’t do that shit.
I am not sure where your defensive reaction comes from, but please read something about toxic masculinity before being so vocal about your opinion. Toxic masculinity can be reinforced by all genders and all genders can be victims.
And admitting your own errors is definitely not equally seen in different groups.
bit my tongue to not torpedo our relationship
I’m so glad my wife is basically no contact with her parents, because I never have to play nice with them.
In my case, they are overall nice and caring people with, sometimes, a bit of a blind spot. I was very glad when they came around on the climate change issue, that was the only sore spot between us.
You’re still more patient Than I.
It’s great that they’re rational enough to change their views in the face of evidence, even if it takes more evidence than it usual.
dude torpedo the relationship, who gives a fuck. if they want to be ignorant fucks and ruin their relationship with their child, that’s on them
they won’t change if there are no repercussions
You advocate blowing up a parent-child relationship just for not getting the instant gratification of convincing them to change their political views in a single day?
That’s decades of history prior and more in the future hopefully. Some things just take time.
We wil be dead from climate change before they figure it out.
This isn’t some social cause you can be a conservative for. This is high stakes and a deadline.
no, I advocate for not appeasing ignorant assholes, and if the ignorant asshole chooses to react poorly to it, let them
Some people just take a while to absorb new information.
My father would always seem like he was completely stuck in his ways and unyielding if you argued with him for one day. But if you came back the next day, he usually had a much better view and had accepted some of your statements.
I actually enjoyed debating him once I learned this, and learned to drag out the debates over several days. I also understood a lot more by copying his method of learning.Not everything needs to be instant. Give people information, then give them time to think about it.
yes, that’s what I was getting at. doesn’t need to be right that moment, but it certainly doesn’t need to be two years.
Life is too short to bother maintaining relationships with people like that. They can rot away in lonely isolation, like they deserve.
You know one snippet of my father in law. Is it really sufficient for you to judge the whole man? I sure hope never to be judged so harshly!
He literally told you he didn’t give a shit about your kids or theirs. That’s indeed sufficient enough for most reasonable people.
the vote though. and they vote a lot more than the people who don’t vote…
I feel like it’s more bleeding into, ok x-er now.
Not to say that all of Gen X’s like this, but I’m definitely seeing some of the older ranks falling into this sort of behavior
My GenX dad sure did shut the fuck up about the job market and economy once he had to find a new one. He gave up and retired after working a handful of shitty ones after he got laid off the good job.
My GenX dad calling me and complaining about how much Indeed sucked for finding jobs was extremely validating.
Indeed fucking sucks 😡
It does, but wtf else do we have? The other options might have one better feature and then several that are worse.
he gave up and retired
I wish i could do that.
i did, and im only 35. thanks mental health disorders!
Same.
being a stupid ignorant asshole has nothing to do with age or generations.
i know tons of 20/30 somethings who think just like boomers. who are in the same total denial of reality and living in their little bubble world. they think facts, evidence, etc, is a conspiracy or it’s just straight up evil because it makes them feel bad.
and they want to feel good and think anyone who makes them feel bad should just die.
Yes. But where is the most common? I think that’s the point. That they are usually of the boomer variety.
in my experience it’s everyone. very few people care about facts or evidence. most lemmy posters do not.
i went to college 20 years ago and a huge chunk of my peers were completely immune to facts and evidence back then.
it’s not an age thing, it’s a basic operating feature of human psychology, no matter your age.
people who able to change their views based on new information are exceedingly rare. most folks just follow the ‘party line’ because that’s what gains them social acceptance/popularity, and going against it gets you socially ostracized.
I guess you just proved the point, mate. You dont have to be a boomer to have dumb as fuck takes…
To know what averages are is dumb? Interesting takeaway.
Gen X here, sadly can confirm :( I see what used to be friends turn into selfish people, ignorant derps or conspiracy/russia shills. Or a combination thereof. It’s depressing to watch this process up close and have no antidote.
Let me Tell you a story from a whippersnapper if you care to listen. When I was young and roaming the digital wild West, there’s one thing I kept seeing from my peers. People saying “as a millennial/ gen. Z, I’m sorry for my generation” This is always stuck with me as something that was depressing in and of itself, but that also gave me pause for the idea that we needed to be sorry for something in the first place. They were apologizing for stupid things like memes or childish behavior, but I had seen them do these things in the past and have a great time doing it.
The main thing this taught me is that people are a product of their time and the current time. It’s usually not worth it to just write these people off as lost souls, but rather to reach out and try to peel back that layer of societal contempt. There’s still a human under there and they still have some of the old ideals you used to know, just under a layer of dust. When I see my peers changing nowadays, I don’t let that affect my perception of them, I still remember them as the Goofy 14-year-olds shouting swag in the hallways. Now, whenever I meet up with them, I make the effort to brush off whatever nonsense they’re going on about now and peel back that layer to see the version of them that I know and grew up with.
It’s easier than you might think, just takes a few well placed laughs and you’ve got your friends back
Even assuming your observation was universally true (which I doubt, I firmly believe people can irreversibly deteriorate) - there are circumstances that can prevent you from reaching people. To name the immediate two that come to mind:
- lack of “alone” time that they will spend with you due to family / spouses / jobs
- you simply do not find the key (again, assuming it exists) to “peel back” their layer of anger and frustration that clouds their objectivity
I agree with StarvingMartist, it really is much easier to be an enabler than it is to give a shit about values. It’s easier than you might think.
Sure if you want to belittle my point and make a joke, be my guest! Ultimately I can’t change your mind so I’m not going to bother trying, just like with my friends and family, I’m going to brush off the dust and keep navigating this complex spiderweb we call life.
I just know I won’t be doing it alone and isolated from people just because they have a different viewpoint.
Ironically, you and people who speak like this are the truly belittling ones. It’s much harder and more courageous to hold values and stick to them than it is to delude yourself and others into believing bad things really aren’t that bad, and that we can all hold hands and laugh it away like anime characters if we just try hard enough.
These things are not mutually exclusive, either. You can absolutely cry laugh over something with an evil nazi boomer. It won’t change who they are, though - they need to do that themselves, and comforting platitudes are what they count on people endlessly giving them in order for them never to have a reason to do so.
You and I have very different definitions of sticking to your values.
Im GenX, and Ill say it. You are all moaning gits, too stupid to get out for your own way because the upvotes from saying “popular thing” are just too good. Every comment I read, goes into this issue like they want to buy a forever home right off the bat in the fancy part of town. Its no wonder people cant afford anything with that mentality.
In 2003, I bought a 25% share of a single bedroom flat in the shitty part of town. It was 8k. I was earning around £4.50 an hour, before tax and national insurance. This was me getting on the ladder. As the cost of housing increased, so did my investment, and I kept on saving. So ten years later, I was able to sell and get into a bigger house in a less shit part of town. Another 10 years later, same thing, only now Im in a pretty OK part of town in a 3 bedroom detached, and it all it took was not being a fucking idiot with my money. And before you accuse me of being rich, I have never once earned more than 30k a year.
So what are people pissing their money away on that I didnt? Well, I cant speak to avocado toast, but I can point to cigarettes and drinking as some of the main reasons why I own a home and no one else I grew up with does.
The Average smoker smokes 10 a day, thats 1 20 deck very 2 days. The average cost of a 20 deck is around 15 quid. So on cigarettes along, thats already 225 quid a month. The average person in the UK has at least one night out a week. The average night out costs around 60 quid. Thats 240 quid. Thats a total of 465 quid per month on just smoking and drinking. Or 5,580 quid a year. Over 10 years thats 55,800 quid. And if you are telling me, that THAT is not enough to get a deposit for a house? Im sorry, Im calling bullshit.
Things might not be as easy as they once were, and yes the prices are stupid, and yes landlords are cunts, but people keep on talking like they have no options. The average wage of a full time worker in the UK is 37k a year. There is zero reason that a person making that much cant save as I have outlined here, and get themselves a deposit for a mortgage that will allow them to be able to afford somewhere to live. But if you want to live in a major city… well, thats a YOU problem. Theres plenty of housing around cities with minimal travel times that are inside values Ive outlined here. A lot of people need to get out of their own way, and stop making excuses. If you want to be able to afford a house, you have to make some sacrifices.
What the fuck are you on about?
First your not even on topic here for this thread for this comment. Typical.
I want you to do a little mental exercise, put a pin on the shit you just said and translate all your life efforts to today’s economic situation. Example.
Your 8k in 2003 was about 14k in today’s market. That 8k was %25 of the total amount so your first buying the flat cost around $56,000 (2003) , $98,601(2025).
I want you to find a flat, house whatever that is Liviable for that price. 100k. Easy peasy right? I won’t even try to explain to you the current pay differences cause you likely wouldn’t listen anyways.
From a genX that just hit the 50s and is technically now part of this boomer group,
Ok Boomer.
Your 8k in 2003 was about 14k in today’s market. That 8k was %25 of the total amount so your first buying the flat cost around $56,000 (2003) , $98,601(2025).
£s not $s
I want you to find a flat, house whatever that is Liviable for that price. 100k. Easy peasy right?
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/168213995#%2Ffloorplan%3FactivePlan=1&channel=RES_BUY
Done. A 2 bedroom terrace 20 minutes from a major city.
Oh, and minium wage for me at the time £4.50(around £9.10 in 2025), like I said. Its now £12.21.
Is there anything else I can do for you? Perhaps, I can cut up your meat into nice little chewable squares for you??
Conversion rate doesn’t give a fuck what symbol is in front of the number.
You’re missing 2 bedrooms. Stay in the same story. Your story. Or did you shack up with your flatmates?
Now explain to me how wages has inflated commensurately with housing prices. Go on try.
By the way I’m proud of you for staying on topic.
Good job.
Keep your shity boiled meat. I’ll keep eating my flavorful bbq’d beef.
yikes
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And then it got appropriated and misused so that anything, even perfectly reasonable statements like “you should be cleaning your butthole when you shower” by literally anybody even 27 year old men, gets a response of “okay boomer”.
Ok boomer
