Oh so they want the we’re family mindset?
“Since we’re family, could you help me take care of grandma tonight?”
“Will you be at my mom’s funeral? Can you help with the flowers?”
Feels like rage bait
Paycheck is literally the job description. If you want passion, hire a volunteer.
I’m here because I find fulfillment in creating spreadsheets and having my expertise routinely ignored.
But do those spreadsheets also never go to any meaningful use? That’s the dream.
They’re used as ad-hoc databases. Mission critical ones!
As Bernard Q. Database had dreamed.
Relegated to a random shared drive, never to be opened again.
that one employee:
I’d do my job for free for a few days just to help people out (which I like doing) and there’s parts of it I enjoy.
But I like paddling down the river much more.
For most people, a paycheck is a business financially compensating them for the time lost and the effort done. The business is of no value to the employee otherwise. The compensation must be fair and worth their while, else the business will have to find someone worth what they’re willing to offer in compensation.
If my job ever misses a check they won’t see me again until I have my money.
You know how at some point people always say “id still work when I’m retired” like it’s some sort of badge of honor? Like their character integrity would be hurt if they didn’t.
Fuck that. I retired and immediately stopped working. Life is amazing when you don’t have to be somewhere every morning rain or shine. I don’t want to be anywhere i don’t want to be anymore.
Getting laid off during COVID was like a preview of retirement, on top of other benefits like showing how little of my personal identity was tied to my job and how little I actually care about it. “Career line go up forever” was one of many things I was SUPPOSED to care about, but did not ACTUALLY care about. And that helped me fast-forward figuring out what does matter to me.
It was amazing.
The “I’ll work forever” badge of honor garbage is just one of the many ways people get conditioned to go against their own best interests to help out the rich/political people that really matter. (/s and barf)
I want to retire early, but I would still keep working because I find what I do stimulating and rewarding.
Retirement for me would be working small jobs that I want to do, and taking classes that I find interesting. I’d probably be taking jobs at small businesses and charities.
I would “work” as in do what I do for a living but not at the behest of someone else. I would only create for my own use and enjoyment.
Exactly how I feel.
The year of Covid lockdown that I didn’t go to work was the most amazing time.
I worked through covid. We were not pleased everyone else got a “vacation”. I think that was a big reason why i couldn’t wait to retire.
The clapping for essential workers wasn’t enough for you? Entitled much? /s
Hey we got a neat little superman nurse postcard. I’m happy.
So wait, you’re one of those people who helped humanity survive?
Thanks a lot.
(That’s both sincere and sarcastic)
Lol yeah, my bad.
Honestly though, i saw far too many baby sized body bags to feel good about it.
I work to live and not the other way around. As soon as I can afford not to work anymore, you can be assured that I won’t. The wife and I have plans to retire to SE Asia, so hopefully just a few more years or so.
What is SEA to you? South East Asia? Seattle? A boat?
The first one. I’ll edit the post.
I was really hoping you were going to clarify that you plan to retire to the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, like inside it and past security. I was very much looking forward to that Q&A.
I unironically want to retire to the sea.
I think almost everyone wants to work except not what work means today. I doubt anyone wants to sit home and stare at the wall and even if they want to why not just let them instead for them to make problems.
A lot of folks have their work tied to their personality like that.
I do kind of get the idea of working into retirement - I actually really like my job, it’s not soul crushing, and I pretty much get paid to learn things and write about them. In that regard, I’d be okay to keep going for a long time because I fucking love learning. It’s a sweet gig, and super rare. Big difference vs. someone conditioned to toil to their detriment.
I will retire, but when I do, I intend to be active in other things related to what I do for work. Volunteerism, mentoring, etc.
Family doesn’t make me talk to strangers on holidays.
Post is in the correct sub and yet everyone in the comments is taking it entirely at face value. Are you all new, or are you just playing along?
This is every single thread in Lemmy Shitpost. People explaining the joke, raging against the machine, offering their solutions, karate-chopping the air… lol
I guess that I’m going a bit against the anti work consensus around here, but does everyone hate their job on Lemmy? I wouldn’t want to work for free, but I enjoy my audio engineering job
Love my job. Still wouldn’t spend a second doing it for zero pay.
Unless your job is doing something like political organizing, it makes no sense to draw a distinction between loving your job and doing it for free. I don’t understand why we even need to discuss this.
To add, I think theres a difference between ‘im here to work in exchange for money’ and ‘im just here for 8 hrs to collect a check’
I used to manage restaurants, usually with a pooled house (all tips get tallied together, and divided by percentage based on position, which always reminded me of the way it was done on old pirate ships)
In these pooled houses it was always extremely obvious- youd have some servers touching other server’s tables, helping bus / run food when appropriate, etc. (Which is what the system is meant to incentivize- if your help gets the other waiter a better tip, thats more money in your pocket as well)
And you’d have servers who did the bare minimum even for their own section, and saw it as ‘if i spend 8 hrs On the floor dokng the bare minimum to not sent home, I get my percentage of the pot, I dont even have to do a good job on my tables’
Right now im running a residential solar crew, and weve got a couple guys who have a similar attitude; the moment they aren’t under a direct task, they just stop working. (Its not a matter of not knowing whats next, and prepping for that, they’ve been here almost a year now, and theres almost always something obvious to be doing next, even if its just grabbing the next box of materials.)
which always reminded me of the way it was done on old pirate ships
Hey - that’s a neat way of thinking about it!
So, I’m a teacher, and I love my career. The fact that I get paid good money to hang out with teenagers and make a difference in so many lives is almost mind-boggling to me. But it’s still work. The job is exhausting, prep work and grading both suck, and I’m never happy to wake up at 7am. I’d never do it for free, and I’m always excited to have a day off.
The days off make me appreciate my job, and the shitty, boring parts of the job make me appreciate my time off. There’s a gap between “I love my job” and “my job isn’t even work,” and many people struggle to grasp that.
As an aside, the anti-work sentiment around here is less a rejection of engaging with a task that betters society, and more about the current system of work and pay, where our labour disproportionately benefits others. Most “anti-work” people want to have a task that adds value to the world, and despise aimless, soulless corporate tasks that benefit CEOs and share holders.
Im so surprised you like to hang out with teenagers when you are an adult…maybe you are in your 20s still.
But all my own memories from school was horrible so once i left that place, it was a huge relief to never be there again.
You are right about the anti work thing. Its the meaningless jobs people despise.
Honestly, it’s because I’m well into my 30s that I appreciate them. They give me perspective that I won’t find elsewhere in my life, and make me feel like my job is having a real impact. There are lives out there that are a little better for having me in them, and that feeds back into me, too. And being around them helps me from becoming some jaded old dude. These aren’t things people worry about in their 20s.
Obviously some of them annoy the shit out of me, and even the best of them has more energy than I can find over the course of the day. But I only have them until ~3 and then they go back to their parents and I get to relax. I think it’s easy find the good in every type of kid when you know that your time with them is fleeting.
And when I think about getting paid a salary to do this as opposed to anything else in the world? I mean, yeah, it feels like a genuine treat. I don’t have to come home tired and covered in sterilized grease the way I did in college, when I cooked my way through my degree, and I don’t need to come home physically worn and covered in motor oil the way my father did. Saying “I get to hang out with kids all day” is definitely downplaying the real work a bit, of which there is a ton, but at the end of the day, I really do genuinely feel lucky to have this way of living available to me.
Thats very cool. I have always only worked office jobs, and they are quite boring. It seems to be like that in society, the people who really makes a difference for others get paid the least amount of money.
I think you are special souls who do jobs like that, not thinking of status or money whatsoever. And you do make a difference for the kids, obviously. I couldnt do it, because it takes a whole different level of patience and willingness to work in a quite chaotic environment… Its impressive. You are a good person. :)
I’m in my mid-forties and most of my co-workers are in their early 20s. It can be weird but I don’t dislike it.
Good. :)
Im sure you are making a difference. Mid-fourties means you have some life wisdom to share also.
Hate my job? No. I actually love my job. It’s an amazing first step in my career and I plan on being here for many years. It’s engaging, it’s creative, it’s building my skills, it’s a casual environment, and I’m friends with my co-workers and my boss.
But I’m only at my job because I need to make money. I have lots and lots and lots of stuff to do with my free time. I want to travel, and play video games at the most base level, but I also have my own creative hobbies which, while I love my job, I would rather dedicate my days to. I only have so much free time in my life.
So the only reason I have this job that I love is because I need money to live. Sorry job, I’m just not that into you.
I’m an artist with a day job in logistics. As I’m working on a collaborative project I took on an extra ~35 hours a week on top of my ~45 hours a week day job for the last month, for essentially pittance extra.
I dont hate my job but if I didn’t need to do it I wouldn’t and I would focus on making artistic works.
I was able to pursue a career from my favorite hobby. It took a lot of hard work to get there without the usual academic qualifications (university/college degree), but once I finally got hired for a full-time position, it was a dream job for me. I would have done a lot of it for free if it didn’t cost money to live. I’m also very lucky that my hobby happens to pay well.
Since then, a bigger company acquired my employer. I still like my job (mostly), but I don’t love it yet. I’m required to delegate a lot of the work, which I used to love and take pride in, to AI. I’m gradually getting better at using AI effectively and efficiently, so maybe I can find joy in that, eventually.
I like my job.
But making a place an enjoyable place to work is up to management.
But they seem to think it’s something they can just mandate.
I don’t hate my job but it is something I do exclusively to make money. It has no role in self actualisation for me.
I don’t hate the work, I tend to find it pretty interesting. I do hate being overworked though and handling way more responsibility than I should, which is typically the case. But even then I’m lucky that I at least enjoy the work at face value, I don’t think people like accountants and many other roles do. Honestly it sounds mean but there are so many fields that just feel like people just got into because they don’t have any interests
audio engineering sounds sick af
There’s a lot of young people on lemmy and I imagine lots of people with unfulfilling jobs.
Im self employed. My job is tough, and stressful. I wouldn’t do it for free, but I choose to do this job because i have the right skills and experience, and I genuinely enjoy “helping” people with my services.
I don’t hate my job, but I sure sympathize with those who do
“Management team”, oblivious as always
even the person who was paid to our that sign up… they wouldn’t be there doing that if not for the paycheck.
They also get a power trip out of it. Some people would do that for free
US version:
I’m here for a paycheck and insurance so I can afford medication to not die.
Because I need to pay my high medical deductible, daycare expenses, mortgage, and a car payment that adds up to about $60,000 a year from my yearly income of $65,000 gross before taxes.
Oh yeah and the coffee is free, which helps, because rich people tell us, all this burden would go away if we didn’t buy Starbucks so often.
My job once gave us water coolers and coffee. At one point the coffee was a big all in one where you can make great drinks with it. Then they took it away because it cost to much. We then had kurigs. They then took away the pods because apparently we cant be trusted and people were stealing them. At least we could still bring ours in! Oh once they broke they refused to replace them so we had no more coffee. Then they took the water away as well once the company claimed it needed cutbacks because it is not doing well. Even the perks are all going away. I remember when I first started 20 years ago we got 2 holiday parties where the company rented a big venue and gave out 10, 15, 20 year anniversary gifts and bonuses and the other party was our department one. Those ended 10 years ago and not a word on anything ever coming back.
The only perk now is that they cutback so much they have no room for my department anymore and we became full remote a little over a year ago. Yay!
Remote is great but you might want to polish up your resume while the company is still semi-solvent, since it’s easier to find a new job while you’re still employed.
I am, but I am also in a tight spot since I have a kid who has 1 more year left until school starts and we can’t really afford daycare. This job has been nice since the work has also been much easier compared to 5 years ago. After that happens I am looking for something new immediately.
The management team can lead by example and forgo their salaries in that case.
Thank you. I just had a shock in another community, and I got confused if I was in threadiverse or liberalSky.
EMPLOYER
ATTITUDES
We don’t expect the
ownership to pay
wages with a[n] "I’m just
here for the labor"
mindset.
-Employment
Sure, we agreed that I would get paid at least this much in our contract, but haven’t you ever heard of “going the extra mile”? Don’t you want to pay more than just the bare minimum? C’mon, be a team player!
I hope people realize how amazing this response is.
Thank you. I’m honored.
