• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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    Edit it is so perfectly fitting for the Linux community to respond with mostly criticisms and negations to these flowcharts I shared without a single negative commenter actually suggesting a different similar helpful resource for newbies to Linux who feel overwhelmed or adding something productive and helpful to the conversation.

    Do better y’all.

    You can’t condescend these resources and pretend with a handwave like there are better ones out there, you gotta prove it. If you are going to pick apart these charts then you gotta make a new chart or link me to a better one, I don’t care about your condescending minor criticisms of the specifics of the flowcharts, that is irrelevant input unless you are going to edit a flowchart and make a new one or add something else productive.

    I feel like I am inside a meme making fun of Linux users right now lol.

    https://piefed.blahaj.zone/post/347408

    https://lemmy.ca/post/53099450

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      I appreciate the effort put into this but if answering yes to “are you new to Linux?” leads to the follow up question “apt or rpm?” then there’s a problem.

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        Exactly. One is a package format and/or local package utility, and the other is a frontend to do downloads and updates for that local package utility.

        Should be “rpm or dpkg” — assuming that we’re excluding the other options — and then if someone chooses RPM, you can start talking about the frontend:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager

        Front ends

        Several front-ends to RPM ease the process of obtaining and installing RPMs from repositories and help in resolving their dependencies. These include:

        • yum used in Fedora Linux, CentOS 5 and above, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and above, Scientific Linux, Yellow Dog Linux and Oracle Linux
        • DNF, introduced in Fedora Linux 18 (default since 22), Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8, AlmaLinux 8, and CentOS Linux 8.
        • up2date used in Red Hat Enterprise Linux, CentOS 3 and 4, and Oracle Linux
        • Zypper used in Mer (and thus Sailfish OS), MeeGo,[16] openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise
        • urpmi used in Mandriva Linux, ROSA Linux and Mageia
        • apt-rpm, a port of Debian’s Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) used in Ark Linux,[17] PCLinuxOS and ALT Linux
        • Smart Package Manager, used in Unity Linux, available for many distributions including Fedora Linux.
        • rpmquery, a command-line utility available in (for example) Red Hat Enterprise Linux
        • libzypp, for Sailfish OS

        Then for dpkg, you can choose from among aptitude, apt, apt-get/apt-query/etc, graphical frontend options like synaptic that one may want to use in parallel with the TUI-based frontends, etc.

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          Sure, but my point was that someone new to Linux can only answer that question with “what the fuck are those”

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          You’ve completely missed the point. If you’re new to Linux you have no clue what those are and shouldn’t care.

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        Been there, done that. Eventually got fed up with having to wait 30 minutes to several hours to install (build) something just to try it out, not like it and then delete it.

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        gentoo for small computing power?? no offense, but that’s bonkers 😹

        Why?

        Surely if you’ve low computing power, you want to make the best of it… Gentoo can help with that.

        Tight compile flags, choosing USE flags carefully to be minimal and snug to meet needs, can make a very very lean efficient-running crisp-feeling system for when you’re using it.

        Or, if your concern is more about the package install time, just use the official binhost [the -g option on emerge commands is your friend], and minimise USE flag changes, and then it’s as fast as any other distro with precompiled binary packages.

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          With the caveat that you’d better cross-compile for the target (low resources) environment unless you’re cold and it’s a long weekend.

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      Lots of pro-Ubuntu propaganda in those flow charts. At this point, Ubuntu of any flavor shouldn’t be recommended to anyone. There are always better alternatives.

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        I was going to say something similar. Ubuntu as a server in 202x is… well it’s certainly a choice you could make…

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      I judge distro chooser flowcharts by whether they correctly point me to Slackware. These both pass.