Remember, you can’t vote and also resist at the same time! /s
Nobody ever said you can’t vote. Plenty of 3rd parties and independents at all levels.
Okay, then what do you suggest?
Organizing in working class parties such as PSL so that we can end overseas wars, sanctions, and bombings forever, and finally end the imperialist system forever. Only through establishing socialism can we escape this never-ending death spiral and the damage it inflicts not only on US citizens but the entire global south. Decolonialism and ending the settler-colonialism of the US Empire is also critical.
Here’s a handy graphic from Lady Izdihar:
Good point. Voting would make that impossible.
Voting just doesn’t do much to steer the empire to begin with, both parties largely react to the ongoing forces at play from the capitalist system. This also is compounded by the fact that there are very few swing states where voting even makes a real difference in pure electoral results.
Not voting against them still gives them ground for no benefit.
They’re on the same side. I don’t care if you vote or not, but we need to get organized.
Pretending that they’re the same is just as delusional as pretending the Democrats are good. I agree that we have to get organized, but if we can’t even fucking vote then actual organization is a pipedream.
They both serve capital above all else. They have differences, but are on the same side. Voting matters far less than organization, even if we couldn’t vote we could still organize.
Public show trials to enumerate and publicize the crimes they committed under their form of law followed by a swift and clean execution
And this applies to every public official who used their position and power of the state to immiserate and kill the global population, not just those two
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Yes.
US politics is a good cop/bad cop sitcom. Republican scream at us then do what they said they were going to do. Democrats smile at us and do the exact same thing.
Between a choice of Hitler and business as usual, might as well throw your vote away and vote both ways!
Hitler is business as usual for the US
You’re delusional if you think things haven’t gotten dramatically worse every time trump has been in office. But hey, US is already shit, right? Worse is impossible, right?
After winning the Nobel peace prize, Obama dropped an average of 30k bombs / year (80 per day) during his presidency, mostly on Muslim countries, 2, 3. In 2016 alone, dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa, up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia.
Business as usual is still Hitler, though, so better to organize to end this once and for all.
The Democrats are unfathomably evil, but America will be a much worse place if they lose the midterms … although I’m still fishing for ideas on what the Democrats would actually do. They’ve kind of tacitly approved everything that Trump is already doing and it’s hard to imagine how far he’d need to go to push the Democrats to act.
The Democrats aren’t going to act on economic issues unless it’s pro-business, but on social issues I’d hope they have some kind of red line. They won’t go after ICE or help trans people, but maybe they would slow Trump’s rollback of abortion rights and same sex marriage.
The way for Democrats to “slow Trump’s rollback of abortion rights” would be to stuff SCOTUS with liberal judges. They aren’t gonna do that.
They have a red line on social issues the same way they had a redline in Gaza.
But have you considered that gavin mogs jd vance
Are you mad? We absolutely need a Democrat take over of the house and senate
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We aren’t accelerationists, nor do we think Trump is a force for good. Trump is a symptom of a broader, systemic problem.
Welcome to Lemmy.ml the idea is that trump accelerates the decline of the west, which is more important than anything else here, including the lives of Palestinians, Iranians, Venezuelans etc.
Nobody believes this. We believe that the DNC is not meaningfully better for Palestinians, Iranians, and Venezuelans, because both parties are imperialist.
The argument is that it’s not as bad when Trump does it because “at least he’s not a hypocrite”.
Nobody has made this point. People have said that liberals hate Trump more because he’s more naked about his bloodthirst, because liberals do the same shit with a polite face to it.
Social issues in the west (lgbtq rights, worker’s rights) have no significance at all here, if anything the worse the proletariat has it in the west, the sooner they will instigate or at least support a revolution that will hail in the era of global communism, that seems to be the thinking here.
While true that worsening conditions does radicalize people, nobody here is advocating for strategically acting to make things worse, ie accelerationism, but instead organizing.
Edit: the other option is that it’s a far right US or Russian psyop because it’s hard to tell the difference but I say that jokingly as a lot of people posting do seem to care. Just not about the west
Communists are neither far-right nor a Russian psyop.
The Russian psyop comment 😭 really went into bunch of asians territory
Yep, as they seem to enjoy doing, sadly.
The genocide in Gaza was enabled by the Biden administration and continues with Trump. Deceptive of you to pretend that the Democratic Party is better on this. The Biden administration vetoed ceasefire multiple times at the UN.
I didn’t suggest that the dems are better on this. Just that trumps regime doing the same thing is more accepted here. Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
Not meaningfully, and that’s precisely the point. You’re arguing for contradictory stances from one comment to the next because to believe Democrats aren’t fascists too is logically inconsistent.
After winning the Nobel peace prize, Obama dropped an average of 30k bombs / year (80 per day) during his presidency, mostly on Muslim countries, 2, 3. In 2016 alone, dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa, up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia.
We do not accept the genocide, whether Trump, Biden, or Harris is in office. The situation would not be better with any of those 3 in office, because the genocide isn’t a personal preference of whoever sits in the White House but instead a systemic aspect of Israel’s settler-colonial project.
Just that trumps regime doing the same thing is more accepted here.
No, it is not accepted here.
Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
No, and that’s the point everyone here is trying to make. Both parties are the same except for rhetoric and optics.
Why, so they can condescendingly pretend to be acting out of a sense of stoic necessity when they continue to do all the same things as the Republicans?
Fuck the democrats, Free Palestine
Because I’m trans and don’t consent to my rights being used as a bargaining chip do you can stomp your feet and stick it to the dems.
Lmao. THE DEMS ARE USING YOUR RIGHTS AS A BARGAINING CHIP ffs.
Democrats were and will be happy to continue to bomb all trans ppl out of existence, as long as they’re not from white countries.
Democrats were staunchly against even gay marriage… Hillary Clinton was against it until 2008. They’re an opportunistic controlled opposition party and will be against your rights as soon as it becomes expedient.
I’m trans, they’re right, you’re a spineless sack of shit
You really think the blue genociders will give a shit about trans people?
Considering I wasn’t as blatantly under attack under Biden as I am under Trump
“I wasn’t personally affected before so everything was fine” lol standard liberal
When Harris lost after a disastrous campaign trying to gain right-wing votes over they blamed their loss on us trans folks and threw us under the bus already. A democrat government is less bad domestically, don’t get me wrong, but only slightly. Look into the ratchet effect.
If you’re unsafe in your state and you can afford internal migration you might wanna look into moving to a blue state with decent protections, unfortunately the federal government won’t give a shit. Stay safe out there.
Yeah, but they seem to be coming around
Ah yes, people who oppose genocide are just stomping their feet and throwing a tantrum over nothing.
Democrats presented you with a prisoner’s dilemma and instead of standing for humanity, you unhesitatingly threw every Palestinian to the wolves, man woman and child, like a Good German. You supported genocide. You voted for genocide. You are a genocide supporter. You are a fascist, whether you choose to accept it or not.
I didn’t support genocide. There was no option to save Palestine. Trump didn’t do it.
There was an option to save transpeople in America. That was Kamala. You didn’t take it. You sacrificed me in order to satiate your ego.
Kamala? Be serious. If you support dems you support genocide, end of. You’re fine with sacrificing the lives of countless Palestinians to keep yourself safe and comfortable, you stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump.
Trans people have been on the DNC chopping block for a while now. I hate to break that to you, but the Democrats won’t save us.
They aren’t actively hunting us
Whether it’s happening quietly or out in the open the effect is the same. Look at all the anti-trans laws that were passed under Biden. The rhetoric is only thing that has changed.
I didn’t support genocide
You literally voted for it and now you’re trying to pretend there’s nothing you could have done. You Vichy collaborators make me fucking sick.
There was no option to save Palestine
Not by continuing to support the same people destroying it. That should’ve been your indication that it was time to stand up and stop enabling these fucks! They only felt safe telling you to suck it up and support genocide in the first place because acquiescent toadies like you indulged them on every other rightward lurch, never imposing any consequences!
There was an option to save transpeople in America. That was Kamala.
Kamala, the cop who put trans women in men’s prisons and promised nothing? That’s your salvation? The party that has shown it believes in nothing and will sacrifice absolutely anyone? You must be as blind as you are spineless not to see that collaborating with them will bring you no protection whatsoever. Come next election, they’ll cut trans people loose and justify it by saying it was to “protect” whatever group is next on their chopping block. Your gormless ass has laid the groundwork for your own annihilation as soon as they find it politically convenient.
You didn’t take it. You sacrificed me in order to satiate your ego
First they came for the Palestinians, and you cried “Sure, they can die! Do whatever you want to them, just don’t hurt me!” Your pathetic display of selfishness in the moment when it mattered most has marked you in the eyes of history and humanity as yet another nazi.
“They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
-A.R. Moxon
Nice antifascist party you got there, I’m sure they’ll never turn around and eat your face. Enjoy the fruits of your cowardice, kapo. I hope all the dead Palestinian kids were worth it to you.
- Literally there was no “Spare Palestine” option on the ballot
- There is no viable political party in America that doesn’t want to destroy Palestine, however I recognize that Trump is more excited to do so than the Dems
- Trump banned Transpeople from owning passports, Kamala wouldn’t have done that.
- There was literally nothing I could do for Palestine, there was no “Save Palestine” option on the ballot. There was a “Don’t do Transgender Genocide” option, but you blew it for me. https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans
- John Fetterman had a stroke and became a Conservative. He is a Democrat in name only. But I think you knew that before you picked him as your example of a typical Democrat because you exercise in dishonesty.
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That’s a fatal indictment of the people making the ballot, not an excuse to consign millions to the flames
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“I had no choice” didn’t work at Nuremburg 1 and it’s not gonna work at Nuremburg 2
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Kamala would have simple done nothing while states did it instead, if history is any indication
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The fact that you cannot imagine any action outside of filling a bubble in a paper is a fatal indictment of you, not an accurate assessment of your actual options.
you blew it for me
Oh, do I have that power? Wow, that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even not commit genocide in order to win my support. That was all they had to do, and they couldn’t resist the taste of blood. And you put your hope in these people? Dumb as hell.
- John Fetterman was always like this, he chased a black jogger with a shotgun as mayor and still got the party’s support. Now he’s cheering on the gestapo and they haven’t done anything to discipline him. They still let him be in the party because they Do. Not. Care.. He’s useful to them to acclimate their base to further fascism. Again, you put your hope in these nazi pricks? Dumb as hell
Anyway, the genocide you supported will hang over your fascist head until the day you die, so have fun with that.
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Yeah, keep arguing with each other. That’s how you’ll defeat facism.
While I really do appreciate this attitude and find it more practical than most, there’s a fundamental hangup that has to be addressed if we, collectively, are going to destroy fascism: it needs to be understood that this is imperialism turned inwards, that American imperialism has always been bipartisan, and that it can never be destroyed by giving our support to it’s perpetrators. From Aimee Cesaire’s Discourse on Colonialism:
First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism; and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is raped and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and interrogated, all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been instilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery.
And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific boomerang effect: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers standing around the racks invent, refine, discuss.
People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: “How strange! But never mind — it’s Nazism, it will pass!” And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole edifice of Western, Christian civilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack.
Yes, it would be worthwhile to study clinically, in detail, the steps taken by Hitler and Hitlerism and to reveal to the very distinguished, very humanistic, very Christian bourgeois of the twentieth century that without his being aware of it, he has a Hitler inside him, that Hitler inhabits him, that Hitler is his demon, that if he rails against him, he is being inconsistent and that, at bottom, what he cannot forgive Hitler for is not the crime in itself, the crime against man, it is not the humiliation of man as such, it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the “(slur)” of India, and the “(slur)” of Africa.
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The only harm you care about reducing is for yourself
Reducing harm is when you install a nazi junta in Ukraine and send endless bombs to the IDF rape army👍
I would have a shred more respect for you if you could just finish the sentence. You care about reducing harm…to yourself, at the expense of countless others. That’s it.
That’s right gotta have a veneer of legitimacy that you chuds can hide behind and do your mental gymnastics to justify imperialism. Trump just doesn’t give you lot anything to work with.
I can excuse genocide but I draw the line at not giving me an excuse to not care about it
BlueMAGA
Both are a product of the same system. Some are just more honest about their intentions.
The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox.
I really wish americans had a longer memory span than 1 election cycle.
It’s the honesty of trump that pisses off people so much not the actions most of the time.
The original version of this meme was problematic but my god this version of it is spot on accurate. And it still would be accurate for countless other things that could be put in the Biden/Trump speech bubble. Despite what Democrats pretend, and how they like to (ineffectively) play the role of opposition to Trump, they are fine with 90% of what he does, he just does it without any deference to the liberal theatrics of “law,” with too much bombast instead of fake personal difficulty making “hard choices,” and because he’s not on team Blue. Granted, there are a few significant things I think it’s safe to say would not have happened under a Democrat president, but vanishingly few of those are things they wouldn’t have wanted to do.
Yeah but at least Biden followed the law while doing it and didn’t make silly twitter posts
As long as the burger reich declares it legal, it’s fine to do a genocide right?
Depends, refer to the color chart
Legal brown people bombing? Missed that class in law school.
The legality is in their head.
President has a D in his party, so it’s socially legal I guess
I remember January of 2009, when Rachel Maddow’s position on using drones to murder civilians completely flipped on inauguration day.
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