I don’t understand the concern, domain names are cheap and easy to get, they can just keep using new ones. Why does it matter if they lose the ones they have?
Piratebay used to do the domain dance all the time back in the day (and maybe still do).
Is TOR not completely owned by the feds? I remember even back in the silk road days people were saying the FBI owns every endpoint. Is TOR still practical? I truly don’t know I’m asking for input.
I mean the same reason we don’t have the full Epstein files for one? They just don’t care until they have to. But also just because they aren’t prosecuting shit right now doesn’t mean they aren’t collecting all that data to feed into their latest shitty chatbotm
Talking about the propensity of the current (US mostly but other places too) administration to just hoard data and rely on shitty ‘AI’ tools to compile and sort through it/analyze it. Idk apparently I was misinformed about the extent to which TOR is actually compromised though.
Edit: the m was a typo its supposed to say chatbot if you didn’t get that.
I don’t know what you’re asking. They do it for the same reason Apple or Google or whoever steals all your data and hoards it. Because knowledge is power and on the internet data has become synonymous with knowledge so they think they’re gaining an upper hand. Think about it, Facebook had a facial recognition thing like 10 whole fucking years ago that would scan your photos and guess who was in your pictures. The US government definitely has more sophisticated tools than that and all the storage space they’d need. LLMs have just given them the ability to process all that data they’ve collected on everyone.
In this scenario it wouldn’t matter because the idea is to use it as a way to access a website that would otherwise be accessed over clearnet but has become inaccessible. But if they made an onion site endpoints wouldn’t be used anyway afaik since the traffic doesn’t leave the network. Now that I’m thinking about it there might be some issues with practicality doing it this way if they have a big volume of traffic, but there are options for routing around censorship that don’t involve DNS.
I don’t understand this comment, can you elaborate? Why wouldn’t the endpoints be used? This is probably my ignorance but I thought all traffic was routed through the onion network and then eventually to the end device, but all that extra routing can’t help you if the Feds control the last stop before whatever server you’re trying to contact… are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
Basically yeah. My understanding is that exit nodes are special and using them is a vulnerability, but you only use exit nodes to access clearnet sites from Tor, and you are less vulnerable if you aren’t doing that and rather going to sites with .onion urls. Which, unfortunately I can’t find one for this website, but I’m thinking they’d probably consider making one if they can’t maintain any clearnet domains anymore.
I don’t think that’s true and a very cursory google suggests (to me at least) that im right and I don’t have time to parse a bunch of sources right now. So idk if anyone else could chime in with specific technical details or a source id appreciate it.
I guess I was holding onto some fearmongering from the silk road days when i swear everyone was saying not to use TOR because it was all owned. It’s good to know that onion addresses can be accessed without revealing any info. If you accidentally navigate from a Tor site to a clearweb site how much is potentially given away, assuming the exit node is compromised?
Tor is used by many countries, both users and governments. The reason for Tor is that it’s not searchable: you need an exact, password-like URL to reach, for example, login pages. This ensures there is no chance another country can spy on or access those communications.
Yeah but even if you could get it down to like 50% why would anyone want to take that risk? Idk I might be misunderstanding something about how TOR works but it seems no more anonymous than the clearweb from what I’ve heard.
While their intentions are good, this will unfortunately probably lead to them losing their last two domain names.
I2P can do torrents. Magnets are easy to host on Tor
The pirate bay is still able to find domains so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t understand the concern, domain names are cheap and easy to get, they can just keep using new ones. Why does it matter if they lose the ones they have?
Piratebay used to do the domain dance all the time back in the day (and maybe still do).
It’s more about users being able to find them again. If they lose all domain names, it becomes difficult to figure out which are the new ones.
Fmhy.net usually has a working domain of AA
Just look up on wikipedia
https://open-slum.org/ (not sure what’s up with it atm, use the 2nd one)
or
https://open-slum.pages.dev/
Maybe this will prompt some people to learn to use Tor
Is TOR not completely owned by the feds? I remember even back in the silk road days people were saying the FBI owns every endpoint. Is TOR still practical? I truly don’t know I’m asking for input.
if FBI owns every endpoint why is still there CSAM? why they don’t remove all of them?
I mean the same reason we don’t have the full Epstein files for one? They just don’t care until they have to. But also just because they aren’t prosecuting shit right now doesn’t mean they aren’t collecting all that data to feed into their latest shitty chatbotm
I didn’t get that can you clarify
Talking about the propensity of the current (US mostly but other places too) administration to just hoard data and rely on shitty ‘AI’ tools to compile and sort through it/analyze it. Idk apparently I was misinformed about the extent to which TOR is actually compromised though. Edit: the m was a typo its supposed to say chatbot if you didn’t get that.
why they do this? aren’t there lawyers or data experts in US?
I don’t know what you’re asking. They do it for the same reason Apple or Google or whoever steals all your data and hoards it. Because knowledge is power and on the internet data has become synonymous with knowledge so they think they’re gaining an upper hand. Think about it, Facebook had a facial recognition thing like 10 whole fucking years ago that would scan your photos and guess who was in your pictures. The US government definitely has more sophisticated tools than that and all the storage space they’d need. LLMs have just given them the ability to process all that data they’ve collected on everyone.
In this scenario it wouldn’t matter because the idea is to use it as a way to access a website that would otherwise be accessed over clearnet but has become inaccessible. But if they made an onion site endpoints wouldn’t be used anyway afaik since the traffic doesn’t leave the network. Now that I’m thinking about it there might be some issues with practicality doing it this way if they have a big volume of traffic, but there are options for routing around censorship that don’t involve DNS.
I don’t understand this comment, can you elaborate? Why wouldn’t the endpoints be used? This is probably my ignorance but I thought all traffic was routed through the onion network and then eventually to the end device, but all that extra routing can’t help you if the Feds control the last stop before whatever server you’re trying to contact… are you saying that if a site is entirely hosted on TOR then no information makes it to an endpoint?
Basically yeah. My understanding is that exit nodes are special and using them is a vulnerability, but you only use exit nodes to access clearnet sites from Tor, and you are less vulnerable if you aren’t doing that and rather going to sites with .onion urls. Which, unfortunately I can’t find one for this website, but I’m thinking they’d probably consider making one if they can’t maintain any clearnet domains anymore.
I don’t think that’s true and a very cursory google suggests (to me at least) that im right and I don’t have time to parse a bunch of sources right now. So idk if anyone else could chime in with specific technical details or a source id appreciate it.
https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/
I guess I was holding onto some fearmongering from the silk road days when i swear everyone was saying not to use TOR because it was all owned. It’s good to know that onion addresses can be accessed without revealing any info. If you accidentally navigate from a Tor site to a clearweb site how much is potentially given away, assuming the exit node is compromised?
Tor is used by many countries, both users and governments. The reason for Tor is that it’s not searchable: you need an exact, password-like URL to reach, for example, login pages. This ensures there is no chance another country can spy on or access those communications.
If enough people set endpoints, then the feds will own a fewer proportion of the total. AKA: we have to be the change we want to see in the world.
Yeah but even if you could get it down to like 50% why would anyone want to take that risk? Idk I might be misunderstanding something about how TOR works but it seems no more anonymous than the clearweb from what I’ve heard.
Anna’s Archive when they find out piracy is illegal 🙀
Sounds fun 😈