• Hacksaw@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    Libertarian socialist?

    Either you’re describing anarchism with new words or you’ve got some really weird views.

    Like libraries are a clear no-no under libertarian ideology because it “perturbs the market”. If access to something is free then you destroy competition which “breeds innovation” or some shit…

    I’ve just never heard of a libertarian library… It’s so antithetical to the concept!

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      Either you’re describing anarchism with new words or you’ve got some really weird views.

      It’s not new, I assure you. Libertarian Socialist is label that goes back to 1872. It’s often synonymous with Anarchism, which I do consider myself to be, but I sometimes use Libertarian-Socialist since it doesn’t immediately bring to mind the concept of chaos or bomb throwing that people unfamiliar with Anarchism may attribute to it.

      Libertarian alone also used to refer to left-wing anarchist types, but the term was co-opted by right-wing free-market ancap type folks a while back. I’m just doing my part to reclaim it :)

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        2 days ago

        since it doesn’t immediately bring to mind the concept of chaos or bomb throwing that people unfamiliar with Anarchism may attribute to it.

        Anarchists are the ones that created that view in the first place. If you’re ashamed of it, perhaps you aren’t really meant for anarchism.

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          Anarchists have never been for lawless chaos, that’s been put on them in a decades long smear campaign.

          There was a time 100 years ago when ‘Propaganda of the deed’ was seen as a viable method toward waking up the masses, but it was quickly found to actually do the opposite of what they intended, and Anarchists today generally do not endorse such methods. I’m not ashamed of it, I’m just trying to avoid knee-jerk reactions from decades of anti-anarchist propaganda.

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            12 hours ago

            I don’t know who you’re trying to fool. Probably yourself, but we have plenty of video much more recently than 100 years with actual anarchists doing exactly what you’re trying to pretend they’re against.

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              12 hours ago

              An extreme minority, perhaps, but it hasn’t been a mainstream anarchist position for a century. And accepted Anarchist theory has never in all of its history advocated for lawless chaos.

              Out of curiosity, what is your own personal political worldview?

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                11 hours ago

                It is all the public facing anarchists. They are the face of the movement whether you believe it or not.

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                  9 hours ago

                  Are you involved in Anarchist movements to know that to be true? Because it sounds like FUD to me.

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                    8 hours ago

                    Are you really trying to gatekeep public perception? I seriously doubt there are billions of anarchists that are just too shy to say anything against the ones that are out in public being the face of the movement.

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        2 days ago

        I had noticed the tension between right and left wing libertarian concepts. Very interesting stuff. I suspect on Lemmy anarchist or anarchosocialist will get more love than libertarian-socialist. But that’s an interesting name to use in public because it invites questions rather than fear of ANARCHY!