Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women’s health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published.
I’m just against the sweeping generalization of “doctors believe” or “doctors think” and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying “my doctor was shitty because they don’t listen to my concerns” is super valid and should be acknowledged, but “doctors don’t listen to women” is not a fair representation.
My personal experience has largely been that doctors don’t listen to me, so I’m sorry, but your one point of view here doesn’t cancel out my entire lifetime of being disbelieved.
I have an autoimmune condition that took 4 years to diagnose. I was constantly told I was being promiscuous and treated for diseases that i tested negative for over and over again. And this was knowing I had a history of autoimmune issues from my childhood.
I have an IUD replacement coming up next week. I was told no pain management would be offered, but I could take some ibuprofen before I come in.
I’ve been told to my face that my gallstone pain wasn’t real as I was throwing up into the doctors office trash can. Told to call ambulance if I wanted pain medication.
When I gave birth, they refused to allow me to wait for labor to set in, I was forced to go on pitocin. I labored for 3 days before having an emergency c-section. And then the nurses were late with pain meds for the two days I was still in the hospital. Oh and there’s no nurseries anymore, so my newborn was in my room the entire time and I had no help and a new surgical incision across my abdomen.
So no, I don’t believe that most doctors care about their patients.
I’m a bearded white dude who has been doubted by dumbass doctors. It’s why I vastly prefer women doctors, ironically. I can’t fathom what others go through if that’s my experience as a khaki wall.
That is a valid stance to take based on your history. I’ve acknowledged your personal experiences may differ. I was not trying to “cancel out” your viewpoint, the same way I don’t think it would be fair to discount mine.
I’m just tired of hearing that doctors care and then never experiencing that in person. At some point there’s a disconnect between what doctors believe they’re providing and what patients are experiencing.
The full anatomy of the clitoris wasn’t even mapped out until 2005. It wasn’t believed to even exist until the late 90s.
I’m really supportive of your point that we shouldn’t discourage people from seeking medical help. I’m all about preventative medicine and modern advances. But I think you’re a little biased from the place where you work. I’m glad you work with people who seem to care about their patients. I don’t think it’s as universal as you want to claim.
I may not have clearly stated what I meant. I wasn’t trying to offer an opinion on your experience. My initial point was imply it is absolutely valid medical knowledge that nerve endings exist in the cervix. Whether or not a doctor acknowledges that or listens to their patients is entirely independent of that (unfortunately). I understand that as a separate issue, but at least modern medical science recognizes it.
@YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com explained it much better than I did in my admittedly flippant statement.
It’s more like doctors don’t believe women can feel the cervix very well even though we very, very much can.
Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women’s health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published. I’m just against the sweeping generalization of “doctors believe” or “doctors think” and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying “my doctor was shitty because they don’t listen to my concerns” is super valid and should be acknowledged, but “doctors don’t listen to women” is not a fair representation.
My personal experience has largely been that doctors don’t listen to me, so I’m sorry, but your one point of view here doesn’t cancel out my entire lifetime of being disbelieved.
I have an autoimmune condition that took 4 years to diagnose. I was constantly told I was being promiscuous and treated for diseases that i tested negative for over and over again. And this was knowing I had a history of autoimmune issues from my childhood.
I have an IUD replacement coming up next week. I was told no pain management would be offered, but I could take some ibuprofen before I come in.
I’ve been told to my face that my gallstone pain wasn’t real as I was throwing up into the doctors office trash can. Told to call ambulance if I wanted pain medication.
When I gave birth, they refused to allow me to wait for labor to set in, I was forced to go on pitocin. I labored for 3 days before having an emergency c-section. And then the nurses were late with pain meds for the two days I was still in the hospital. Oh and there’s no nurseries anymore, so my newborn was in my room the entire time and I had no help and a new surgical incision across my abdomen.
So no, I don’t believe that most doctors care about their patients.
I’m a bearded white dude who has been doubted by dumbass doctors. It’s why I vastly prefer women doctors, ironically. I can’t fathom what others go through if that’s my experience as a khaki wall.
That is a valid stance to take based on your history. I’ve acknowledged your personal experiences may differ. I was not trying to “cancel out” your viewpoint, the same way I don’t think it would be fair to discount mine.
I’m just tired of hearing that doctors care and then never experiencing that in person. At some point there’s a disconnect between what doctors believe they’re providing and what patients are experiencing.
Yeah, I’m sure that is frustrating.
The full anatomy of the clitoris wasn’t even mapped out until 2005. It wasn’t believed to even exist until the late 90s.
I’m really supportive of your point that we shouldn’t discourage people from seeking medical help. I’m all about preventative medicine and modern advances. But I think you’re a little biased from the place where you work. I’m glad you work with people who seem to care about their patients. I don’t think it’s as universal as you want to claim.
I may not have clearly stated what I meant. I wasn’t trying to offer an opinion on your experience. My initial point was imply it is absolutely valid medical knowledge that nerve endings exist in the cervix. Whether or not a doctor acknowledges that or listens to their patients is entirely independent of that (unfortunately). I understand that as a separate issue, but at least modern medical science recognizes it.