I learned that when I was a kid (more than 25 years ago), and I was like why is this aloud and not forbidden…
Wait, do the lobsters scream? :(
As I understand it, it’s the steam escaping from the shells. The screaming (whistling) sound is present at the end of the cooking process (long after they’re dead), not the beginning.
You wouldn’t do this to your cat. Or your dog. Or any other pet. Why should they have to go through it?
I would eat both of it were legal. Dog meat has been described to me multiple times and it sounds devine. Cats used to be called rooftop chickens. If you’re unwilling to eat X meat because of sympathy, I think you’re a bad omnivor. Also my family recently survived a famine so I feel it’s disrespectful to my ancestors
Dog and Cat meat are entirely legal to eat, it’s just there’s no legal way to acquire them
I don’t know man, due to sympathy neither my dogs, cats or goats would eat each other or humans. And 2 of them are carnivores.
Cats are well known for eating their former owners after they die.
Yeah right your cat doesn’t eat you because of sympathy 😂
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ewxCyRaECC0
Because I can’t find the actual comic.
Not the question.
But would you boil them alive?
We should just start eating humans. They are pointless and invasive and they eat meat as a choice.
Risk of Prion‘s disease is too high.
Dont forget that cats also are invasive in a lot of places. Now get that rooftop chicken before it gets an actual bird.
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on a serious note: the good PR that cats have is INSANE they are dangerous for avifauna but saying that ones cat is an “outside cat” who needs to roam around freely is somehow considered a valid statement - it is a pet ffs. But doing the same with a dog usually is not.
i mean our “outside cats” are usually doing work killing rats and shit, so
Also all the birds.
Back before we realized the extent of it, we were really proud of how good our indoor outdoor mouser was. Could sneak into a flock of pigeons unnoticed and catch a hummingbird without killing it. I miss that cat. She personally extincted some bluebirds.
Don’t cats also keep rodent populations in check? It’s not all bad. Cities are completely transformed for humans anyway, so it’s hard to say what fauna “should” survive on the streets.
But outside of cities, you’re damn right. There was that one individual cat that is responsible for the extinction of multiple species!
As required where I live cats should be neutered/sterilized.
That is sufficient.
The invasive argument is often used as an excuse by cat haters (there seem to be a lot for some reason) and sadists who do the most horrible things to them.
My cat was as good as a family member.
Always said if theoretically there were 2 people in a burning house and my cat, the first thing I’m doing is save my cat.
Not even a question.
And I don’t want to think about what I would do if I caught one of those sick animal torturers.been in that theoretical and the first thing all of us did was corral the cats.
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When I was a kid, I watched a TV show with one of Australia’s early ‘celebrity’ chefs, Bernard King. He had a live lobster in front of him, which he then proceeded to cut the tail from. The lobster made audible ‘squeeee!’ noises, and tried to move away. He just laughed and said it couldn’t feel anything.
Anyway, he was a cunt.
Doctors used to believe that babies couldn’t feel/understand pain.
More like doctors reject inconvenient truth in favor of useful lie
Doctors still think the cervix has no nerve endings.
I’m not sure what you mean by this; the cervix is known to have many nerve endings and is accepted medical knowledge.
@YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com explained it much better than I did in my admittedly flippant statement.
It’s more like doctors don’t believe women can feel the cervix very well even though we very, very much can.
Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women’s health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published. I’m just against the sweeping generalization of “doctors believe” or “doctors think” and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying “my doctor was shitty because they don’t listen to my concerns” is super valid and should be acknowledged, but “doctors don’t listen to women” is not a fair representation.
My personal experience has largely been that doctors don’t listen to me, so I’m sorry, but your one point of view here doesn’t cancel out my entire lifetime of being disbelieved.
I have an autoimmune condition that took 4 years to diagnose. I was constantly told I was being promiscuous and treated for diseases that i tested negative for over and over again. And this was knowing I had a history of autoimmune issues from my childhood.
I have an IUD replacement coming up next week. I was told no pain management would be offered, but I could take some ibuprofen before I come in.
I’ve been told to my face that my gallstone pain wasn’t real as I was throwing up into the doctors office trash can. Told to call ambulance if I wanted pain medication.
When I gave birth, they refused to allow me to wait for labor to set in, I was forced to go on pitocin. I labored for 3 days before having an emergency c-section. And then the nurses were late with pain meds for the two days I was still in the hospital. Oh and there’s no nurseries anymore, so my newborn was in my room the entire time and I had no help and a new surgical incision across my abdomen.
So no, I don’t believe that most doctors care about their patients.
That is a valid stance to take based on your history. I’ve acknowledged your personal experiences may differ. I was not trying to “cancel out” your viewpoint, the same way I don’t think it would be fair to discount mine.
I’m just tired of hearing that doctors care and then never experiencing that in person. At some point there’s a disconnect between what doctors believe they’re providing and what patients are experiencing.
I’m a bearded white dude who has been doubted by dumbass doctors. It’s why I vastly prefer women doctors, ironically. I can’t fathom what others go through if that’s my experience as a khaki wall.
Male doctors.
Female doctors, too.
Still don’t offer pain relief for procedures like IUD insertion and the like.
Um, yes they do. They tell us to take ibuprofen before the procedure.
Ibuprofen doesn’t touch the pain at all.
Have you been through birth and iud insertion and other procedures?
I had epidurals for all my childbirths. I’ve had three IUD insertions, only one with ibuprofen. IUD insertion doesn’t hurt much at all either way. Just a moment of pinch & cramp then it’s fine. That has been my subjective experience.
For you. Some women it’s much worse.
Pain management should be offered depending on the patient’s individual needs and not because of some outdated idea that we feel less pain there.
While it is true that this is said to patients, ibuprofen is not enough pain relief. Insertion is often rated as extremely painful, but patients are told it is similar to a menstrual cramp. It was a 10 out of 10 for me, and that was with extra ibuprofen.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-insertion-pain-control-cdc-guidance-8737789
Patients’ pain experiences during IUD insertions often do not align with what practitioners perceive that pain to be. One study shows that women rated their highest pain during a procedure at around 65 on a scale of 100, while providers estimated it at around 35—highlighting a deep-rooted disparity between patient experiences and provider perceptions.3
“Women are left in the dark about the reality of this procedure, and that needs to change,” Hart told Verywell. “For many of us, it’s not just mild pinching or cramps, and the first step is to bring this out of the shadows, validate women’s pain, and show them that there are options available to help them manage it.”
Thank you, this is exactly what I was referencing.
And that apples are dangerous.
Tbf apple seeds do have cyanide in them and should not be consumed in large quantities.
“A lethal dose of cyanide is around 50–300 milligrams (mg). A 2018 analysis of previous research states that a person would have to eat around 83–500 seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning.” Medical News Today, citing 2018 Oxford analysis
A redditor also did the math on how many apples that would be: "Apple seeds can release as much as 0.6 mg of Cyanide per gram of seed.
The average apple seed has a mass of 0.756 grams
The average apple contains 8 seeds
Therefore there are approximately 5.25 grams of apple seeds per apple, yielding a theoretical maximum release of 3.25 mg of cyanide from one apple
The lethal dose of Cyanide is based on body mass and is listed as 1.5 mg/kg.
A human can ingest about 41% of the lethal dose before seeing any side effects.
41% of 1.5 mg/kg = 0.615 mg/kg
The average adult male weighs 81.6466 kg (180 lbs)
Therefore the lethal dose in the average male is 50.213 mg.
50.213/3.15 = ~16 Apples
Therefore the average male can consume ~16 apples without feeling any side effects."
Unless you are a doctor that does not give pain relief for IUD.
The vast majority do not offer it. Doctors believe it’s just a pinch or light cramping.
I was refused any pain relief for my next iud insertion. And that’s happening in a few weeks.
Edit: lol I didn’t realize what comment you had replied to - yeah that was funny hah
Interesting, too bad the article doesn’t go deep enough and doesn’t explore the psychological effects.
It’s actually very environmentally friendly to eat humans so the momentary pain is offset by the collective good.
ends justifying means is pretty well known to lead to bad means.
It’s only environmentally friendly to eat humans with a net worth over a certain amount.
Oh but you always suggest that Johnny.
Found the vegan.
(emanresu backwards)
why are thelobsters cooked? They turn red during cooking, so these two must be speaking from experience.
They’re already a beautiful dark red.
You know, I’ve read that stabbing them through their head doesn’t really kill them because they have distributed ganglia instead of one centralized brain.
Sounds like something big boiling pot would say.
Nah, they usually say stuff like “That kettle is black!”
I had a girlfriend like that once. It didn’t work out. She did, fortunately, taste great with garlic butter so the relationship wasn’t a total loss.
You need to define what the word alive means first.
If you cut a roach’s head, it stays sort of alive in that the body responds when trying to touch it or expose it to harm but it won’t do anything if left alone. just standing still until eventual death.
A decapitated roach might still be able to “feel” pain but in my personal opinion - I am no expert in the matter - it doesn’t feel stress, trauma or have bad memory of the incident. Just pain and an appropriate reflex to it.
In this context “alive” means “still able to feel and process pain.”
How does the decapitated roach feel the pain? The processing unit has been disconnected from the source of pain.
No it hasn’t been. Cockroaches, lobsters, and other arthropods have a decentralized nervous system. They have ganglia throughout their entire body instead of one centralized brain. These ganglia can react to stimuli independent of the other ones.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head/
Yes, “decentralised”, “can react to”, but what about perceiving? That’s what modern mortality cares about. Most plants react to stabbing but since there isn’t any processing unit of such signals, we humans don’t take moral punishment from doing so. We don’t emphasize non-sensual creatures.
Honestly they may not be able to perceive in any way we would recognize. Arthropods are about as distant as you can get from humans while still being in the animal kingdom, were in Maine and they’re in American Samoa. So while they most certainly perceive the question of sentience in the more traditional sense is up for debate, though there is at least one species of spider that has a proto-brain so it isn’t universal.
So does this mean stab the lobsters or don’t stab the lobsters? I was raised on the NE shore and have cooked hundreds of lobsters, I used to do the trick of putting them face down and stroking the spine, that would work ok but they wake up when you move them to the pot. I started stabbing the lobsters a few summers ago after a chef I worked with told me I should be, but I wasn’t convinced it was a lot more humane and it’s not fun if there’s kids around lol.
I can’t tell you for sure which is quicker or more painless. I’m not a marine biologist and even if I were I don’t think I’d have the answer on another creature’s consciousness. Personally I think it’s really just cope and it’s splitting hairs at that point. You just need to face the fact that you’re killing and eating a living creature.
I’ve got no qualms with killing and eating something, I make an effort to dispatch those animals as quickly and humanely as possible, thus the question.
I judge people who don’t sever the notochord first. It’s like the most basic respect you can offer.
I think the most basic respect you can offer an animal is to just not kill it.
That’s fair. I accept that I am not the second coming, but I live in this world as best I can while still enjoying the comforts it offers
You respect where your food comes from. Enjoy your well-deserved comforts, haters are gonna hate
Speaking of food, love the UN! Spinach is one of my favorite things.
Thank you, I’m also a huge fan of spinach! I also love lazy wordplay and alliteration - I’ve been thinking of making an alt account called lethargiclettuce just cuz haha. Your UN also made me smile for the same reason haha
i don’t think any living animal actively offers themself for your culinary pleasure.
Perhaps not, but he openly admits he does his best. That’s enough
Their best is to accept the death of a sentient species to satisfy a simple carnal pleasure? Pathetic.
Not everyone carries your value system. Get over it.
Well there’s that one guy that wanted someone to eat his penis or whatever. I believe he even paid.
Is this the guy who wanted to have gay sex before the cannibalism while the other guy was mostly just there for the cannibalism?
Then that guy got convicted for murder on a technicallity because the footage (they also recorded everything) showed that the guy whose penis was eaten had yet to die from bloodloss like he wanted?
I heard that one on a Redhanded podcast episode.
Yeah I believe that’s the same one
The internet is what enabled this to happen.
Is that why you feel the way you do?
It doesn’t actually kill them, and it’s so small that you’re likely to miss it anyway.
Killing them isn’t the point, it’s to prevent suffering.
They don’t have a nervous system like vertebrates do. They can still feel pain if you slice them through the head because they have a network of ganglia throughout their body, not one centralized brain.
Babies don’t have a notochord, though. It disappears earlier in fetal development in vertebrates.
So… We can eat babies then, right? Need an answer sooner than later.
