How does one get five MGS games deep and then decide to make a stand about Quiet?
I don’t mind sexy girls in my games.
i mind when there’s some weird-ass rationalisation for the creator’s barely disguised fetish. when asked why 2B was styled that way, yoko taro said “i like looking at girls”. when asked why quiet was styled like that, hideo kojima said “when you find out the reason, you will be ashamed of your words and deeds” only for the reason to be fucking nonsense.
just own it man, geez.
Liking pretty women isn’t a fetish
no, but exhibitionism is.
Wearing a bikini top in hot weather isn’t exhibitionism.
look ricky, i know you’re reasonable. we’re not talking about the character in a vacuum, we’re talking about kojimas extreme defense of what would otherwise have been accepted as just standard fanservice, and the fact that the excuse was so flimsy. quiet doesn’t fit into her setting, sure. that happens in a lot of japanese media. but kojima made such a big deal about it before release that she somehow fits in worse than if he had said nothing.
we’re not talking about the character in a vacuum, we’re talking about kojimas extreme defense of
Deflection / Framing Control
That’s what you’re talking about.
You’re dissatisfied with the canon explanation for Quiet’s exposure, you think Hideo made too big of a deal about it, that Hideo should have just said ‘yep I’m doing fan-service’.
Ricky is just stating that he finds conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish, that wearing clothes that broadly fit the climate and Quiet’s combat role is not exhibitionism.
You keep talking past him, and the original commenter, never acknowledging that you keep throwing out tangential exaggerations, based around Kojima, that don’t apply to the people you’re talking to, the things they are saying.
You’re talking, but you’re not listening.
wow, good analysis. genuinely, you managed to de-escalate any tension before it appeared. not sarcastic.
the reason i’m talking about framing is that that’s what the thread is about. saying “i enjoy attractive ladies in games” in this thread is implicitly in the context provided by the OPs image; the implicit sentence here is “personally i had no problem with quiet in particular”. my original pushback was that context matters, and that the stated reason something is made needs to be taken into account. like, since kojimbo stated that there was a very good reason for her to act and dress like she does, the fact that the reason is bad makes the decision worse. that’s a hole he has written himself into, it’s a very weird inclusion, and the fact he keeps defending the decision just makes it weirder.
i also like sexy women in my games, but i’m not the kind of person to just slap nude mods onto tomb raider or resident evil. there is a time and a place.
So it licking feet. Nothing to be ashamed of
Man, I heard people talk aboit Tarantino’s foot fetish, and I had not really looked closely at it until I went to see Kill Bill in a theater a few months ago. Now this is a movie I have watched a LOT, but after the 6th time we got a close up of Uma Thurman’s feet, 20 feet tall on the screen, god, I realized then who people pointed out his foot problem.
absolutely. but trying to deflect it like kojumbo did shows that he definitely was ashamed.
I’m more surprised that he didn’t make it nanomachines again. That’s not the answer to everything, Hideo!
Can I be real I like it when it’s both.
I have personal characters for stuff and they’re very much designed in a way where I am attracted to them. I think a visually striking appearance is better than looking like a generic lump of metal robot dude. I’ll get out a bullhorn and say “SHES SHAPED LIKE THIS BECAUSE ITS HOT”
At the same time a rational in universe reason they look like that or have xyz feature is also fun and useful for storytelling.
A core example is that I have a water dragon-lady character, her outfit is swimwear inspired. But she spends loads of time in the water and can stay there for an extended duration via cutaneous respiration.
but that’s still owning it! most people like or are fine with sexy characters, as long as it fits the setting. quiet is infamous because not only is she at odds with her environment, the creator actively lambasted people on twitter for pointing that out. quiet is a weird character.
just for reference, the reason she has to be naked is that she gets nutrients from the sun. just like a character in an earlier metal gear who is always fully clothed. she also moves like a cat in heat, rubbing herself on things and shoving her ass into the camera in an active warzone. it’s like she’s in brazzers parody of her own game.
Yeah I’m not arguing in favor of Quiet though. All I’m saying is I like taking ownership of my reasoning combined with at least some semi plausible explanation. I think it’s fair to delineate that from pure “Made a sexy girl because I like sexy girls”.
hmm, maybe. the basic reason is the same, but caring about world coherency means it’s not just a matter of titillation.
once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.
Vitamin D deficiency right?
Not that D, pervert.
Fuck you the scurvy is perpetual. Or that’s what I would say if my ancestors apparently didn’t make a deal with the devil for immunity to vitamin D deficiency, the salt deficiency is real though.
Scurvy is a vitamin C deficiency.
The sun’s a bitch and so are you. Also I fucken hate letters, can we abandon the Latin alphabet and go back to using runic script?
i always liked how bleach’s creator justified fanservice, instead of some long-winded in-universe reasoning he just went “i like big titties”
IIRC, that was basically the reason given by Yoko Taro about why 2B looks like that in Nier.
Who wrote this shit?
An autistic person with severe sensory issues.
That’s not what “fan service” is. Fan service is a reboot of a series (like That 70’s Show), which is shit, but it has a couple of the old castmembers in it. Fans don’t want titties, everybody wants titties. Titties is a “everybody service”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_service
society existed before you decided to throw in your 2 cents
I didn’t know that, thanks for teaching me. You can work on the delivery though, you don’t sound very friendly.
I vary in my friendliness from time to time, you caught a pointy one, sorry. Thank you for being mature enough to take the sharp criticism and be willing to learn from it and stand up for yourself.
You too man
What game is this?
Metal Gear Solid V Phantom Pain
If it was only tits in the game i would have hated it but MGS V Phantom Pain is a great game and if it were finished it would have been 10 times better, but Konami had to fuck it up.
The retard who came up with the skulls fucked it up*
I don’t care if it was kojima, it was a stupid game design choices
She was the best ally to bring out with you. She never missed!
She was unable to shoot if she needed to change position to get a better angle, couldn’t shoot at anyone indoors, and needed 2 shots if they were wearing a helmet.
Meanwhile D.D. could also sense enemies in an area, and take out anyone instantly with the knife regardless of amount of armor. And stun knife if you wanted to capture them.
Only thing Quiet was better at was a quick shot to avoid alert if you get spotted. That and fan service of course.
tbh I’m more concerned about that gun, it looks like it weighs more than her
I was so disappointed by that. I really expected better from Hideo.
Hideo is a horny bastard and you should’ve seen it coming.
Why, have you not played any other Kojima games?
I really expected better from Hideo.
🤨
Why?
Mostly because when the initial reaction surfaced, he was saying stuff like “You will be ashamed when you find out why Quiet is dressed like that”
And it turned out to be total weaksauce excuses for titillation. At least own up to your degeneracy.
